BSTU threatens to disrupt school start

With just three days to go before the new school year begins, sparks are again flying between the Barbados Secondary Teachers’ Union (BSTU) and Government  — this time over the termination of a teacher’s employment contract.

The matter involving an educator who was assigned to the St Michael School threatens to disrupt the start to the new school year with the BSTU already summoning its members to a meeting tomorrow morning to devise a response to the ministries of education and the civil service.

“The BSTU has scheduled a meeting, to which it is inviting all its members [teaching & non-teaching] on Friday, September 08, 2017 at 9:30 a.m., to take place at the Barbados Workers’ Union Solidarity House headquarters, during which time plans for action to cause the grievance to be heard will be consolidated,” BSTU president Mary Redman announced in a statement released to the media today.

“It is expected that the Ministry of Education will take notice of the serious intent of the BSTU, and do what is necessary to avoid escalated action upon the commencement of the 2017 – 2018 academic year,” Redman added.

With the contentious matter said to be left hanging for almost a year, the BSTU head complained that “senior officers of both ministries have been reneging on their statutory functions by a lack of adherence to legislation and regulations that dictate proper governance and operations of the service and a harmonious industrial relations climate”.

And even though the union would have previously flexed its muscles on the matter in the last academic year by staging a march and other protest action that caused major disruption to classes, Redman maintained that it has “exercised exemplary patience and goodwill in the face of profound disrespect and denial of the rights of its member”.

“The Ministry of the Civil Service held an informal information gathering meeting on 21st March, 2017 with the BSTU in preparation for the formal grievance process which was to have been rescheduled.

“A second date of 23rd May, 2017 was given, six months after the fact, to hear the grievance. This meeting was again cancelled because they claimed a lack of space in which to hold the meeting,” the statement said.

Redman further suggested that
Government was not interested in having the matter settled, and that efforts by the BSTU to have the grievance heard with the participation of the Ministry of Education were being frustrated.

In fact she said “both the Permanent Secretary and Deputy Permanent Secretary, to whom we have made innumerable phone calls in the last ten months, three already this week, have indicated that the Ministry of Education officials are not returning phone calls on the matter.

“The BSTU raised the matter at the level of CTUSAB at the last board meeting of 24 August, 2017 as well as at the Sub-Committee of the Social Partnership on 25 August, 2017 and asked that the Minister of Labour use her good office to exert influence towards getting the grievance heard,” she said.

Redman also revealed that Minister of Commerce Donville] Inniss, who was present at the meeting, had expressed  “horror” over the matter and “stated his concern that if the BSTU were forced to take action the fault would lie with the recalcitrance of the senior officers [in the Civil Service and the Ministry of Education]”.

It is the latest development in a seemingly dysfunctional relationship between this island’s teachers and Government.

Just yesterday, the president of the umbrella Barbados Union of Teachers (BUT) reacted with disgust to an announcement by Minister of Education Ronald Jones that five schools will not be ready in time for Monday’s opening of the new school year.

BUT President Pedro Shepherd accused the Ministry of Education of poor planning, while complaining that not only teachers kept in the dark until the 11th hour, but that some the infrastructural work had only started on the schools five weeks ago.

“This is the challenge that they had and I believe that they should have managed the time frame better,” Shepherd insisted.

However, the teachers’ spokesman said his members remained committed to doing all within their power to ensure a smooth September restart.

colvillemounsey@barbadostoday.bb.

99 Responses to BSTU threatens to disrupt school start

  1. Roc Kinn
    Roc Kinn September 8, 2017 at 12:30 am

    This woman is a broken record a nuisance unlike any ever seen. Does she ever take a break. My goodness enough already.

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    • Kearn Williams
      Kearn Williams September 8, 2017 at 8:14 am

      She takes a break as soon as the holiday starts. When school starts she starts again instead of spending time at The Lodge School

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      • Ernesta Catlyn September 8, 2017 at 11:12 am

        Kearn Taylor you bitter about The Lodge School but if you or your child had manners, your experience might have been different. You were one of the most unmannerly and disrespectful parents anyone could hope to meet

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  2. Sharon Jacobs
    Sharon Jacobs September 8, 2017 at 12:34 am

    Really now..u nah tired..jeez.

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  3. Sheldon Cox
    Sheldon Cox September 8, 2017 at 12:42 am

    So fed up of her right now

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  4. Patricia Julyon
    Patricia Julyon September 8, 2017 at 1:17 am

    Why she doan go an enjoy she pre-retirement leave doa an leh a workin person deal wid matters. Fuh rite now she outtuh de systum. Guh long an stop mekkin de place misrubble.

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  5. Stell Alleyne
    Stell Alleyne September 8, 2017 at 1:32 am

    This is the woman with the degree of ignorancism …who claims she loves the Island and those in it!

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  6. Doriel Skinner
    Doriel Skinner September 8, 2017 at 1:37 am

    All the time so Mary?

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  7. Ashanti Padilla
    Ashanti Padilla September 8, 2017 at 2:14 am

    Every year this is you. Steupse. You’re sickening!

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  8. Conchita Moseley
    Conchita Moseley September 8, 2017 at 2:46 am

    This woman is always trying some 888T OUR KIDS NEED THEIR EDUCATION NO TO BE INVOLVED IN POLITICS. B**C*

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  9. Sherlock Holmes. September 8, 2017 at 2:49 am

    Is this the issue that has blood connections to a certain person? Is this why Mary is so contrary? Mary Redman is that ill wind that blows nobody good. Retire and stop being a complete nuisance Mary , we have had enough of your bullying all bullies must be put in their place one way or the other. RESISTANCE TO TYRANTS IS OBEDIENCE TO GOD!

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  10. Julian Reifer
    Julian Reifer September 8, 2017 at 3:15 am

    This crappy woman is politically motivated.

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  11. Julian Reifer
    Julian Reifer September 8, 2017 at 3:16 am

    Is this woman a Bajan?

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  12. Cherylann Bourne-Hayes
    Cherylann Bourne-Hayes September 8, 2017 at 3:24 am

    This is every year

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  13. hcalndre September 8, 2017 at 3:27 am

    @ All the above; that`s why the Civil Servants can`t get a penny on their salary for the last nine years because most of you seem to be happy in where ever corner you`re and your salary and have a problem with the Unions. Keep up the fight Ms. Redman. Why do Bajans think like Owners and CEOs or Slaves of the work places instead of thinking like employees.

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    • Tonymalla September 10, 2017 at 6:08 am

      The civil service needs to do job that they are paid to do. The only slaves in Barbados are the people awaiting the services needed when dealing with the government.

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  14. Caroline Clarke
    Caroline Clarke September 8, 2017 at 3:27 am

    A tell wunna so .everybody had a march or a sick out but she has to have her do by herself .look say a prayer and start school the right way by teaching the nation’s children and earning wunna keep.

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  15. Mhizz Weakness
    Mhizz Weakness September 8, 2017 at 3:27 am

    Get a life woman

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  16. Ibukunoluwa Ayanfe Ozioma
    Ibukunoluwa Ayanfe Ozioma September 8, 2017 at 3:29 am

    There is a genuine concern here. What is the situation with the termination of the teacher’s employment contract? Is the Ministry’s termination of this teacher’s employment contract justified? We should know the details. If not, as a member of a union she deserves union members’ support. From the article we learn that the Ministry is AVOIDING all efforts to meet and try to resolve the situation. If it were any of you in an employment dispute, would you not want the support of your colleagues? Sadly, your responses were guided by the biased caption/title of this article. Shame on the reporter. If anyone is at fault here it is the Ministry! Should the heading not read ” Failure of Ministry to resolve BSTU members grievance – likely disruption to school start”.

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  17. Suzette Clarke
    Suzette Clarke September 8, 2017 at 3:44 am

    Here we go again!

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  18. Jeanetha Callender
    Jeanetha Callender September 8, 2017 at 4:03 am

    She has to be sick in her head..Never at School ..

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  19. Susan Maynard
    Susan Maynard September 8, 2017 at 4:46 am

    Like let me tell u this is foolish, the children do u something let the children get their learning.

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  20. Sharon Taylor
    Sharon Taylor September 8, 2017 at 5:06 am

    Dirty….

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  21. Pat Prescod
    Pat Prescod September 8, 2017 at 5:30 am

    Ya mean all the rashole time so, you can go long now instead of waiting till next year

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  22. Rosan Als
    Rosan Als September 8, 2017 at 5:32 am

    Foolishness starting now

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  23. Kathrine Kirton-Murrell
    Kathrine Kirton-Murrell September 8, 2017 at 5:33 am

    Come on Mary have a seat now. This is getting old and tired. Let the children go and get their education.

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  24. ron September 8, 2017 at 5:37 am

    It is surprising how many of us find it so easy to take an anti worker stance. Ms. Redman is a union leader and she make decisions that have the support of the members. You might not like her as a person but please respect the union. Remember one day you might need representation as a worker.

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    • Sherlock Holmes. September 8, 2017 at 7:31 am

      iT has been alleged that the teacher is her son what foolishness you telling me Ron!

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    • Tonymalla September 10, 2017 at 6:10 am

      How about the children?

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    • Tonymalla September 10, 2017 at 6:17 am

      What about our children? This is part of the reason for declining results and the bad behavior. Both the leaders in government and teacher union fails to work together to arrest the current situation. What about the children?

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  25. Aquarius Rastress
    Aquarius Rastress September 8, 2017 at 5:43 am

    All d time so d same f**k with u go take a seat an please let the children go school an take in their lessons wanna had a while set of vocation to do this lord help u stupseee

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  26. Lady Jay
    Lady Jay September 8, 2017 at 5:50 am

    All these marches and meetings only hurting our children NOT you, so Mary so you and your lambs behave like adults

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  27. Dennis Taitt
    Dennis Taitt September 8, 2017 at 5:53 am

    Blasted nuisance. Are you Bajan?

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  28. Cecilia Millar
    Cecilia Millar September 8, 2017 at 5:55 am

    Look she needs to sit down and level she blasted head now all the time so what she trying to prove tho she aint see how things going ?? Only she should turn up at solidarity house wasn’t this an issue before?? Smh

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  29. Kathyann Best
    Kathyann Best September 8, 2017 at 6:02 am

    Stupseeeeee

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  30. Asha Skeete
    Asha Skeete September 8, 2017 at 6:05 am

    This woman !!! I keep saying she is a DISRUPTION to the school system !!! Even if there are matters that are not resolved and failure of the Ministry to resolved these issues, why would she want to wait until the school term is about to begin to address these concerns ? At the end of the day it’s the school children that are going to suffer not her or colleagues.

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    • Asha Skeete
      Asha Skeete September 8, 2017 at 6:10 am

      No I’m not a teacher , but I am entitled to my opinion right !. Its funny of all the posts on this thread you chose mime to reply to . Have a great day !!

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  31. Sophia John
    Sophia John September 8, 2017 at 6:16 am

    Expected her rise up

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  32. Dawn-Marie Rawlins
    Dawn-Marie Rawlins September 8, 2017 at 6:20 am

    This woman becoming a damn nuisance now. Wanna sit down pun wanna ass for 9 wks and now want to disrupt classes? Are u not teachers when on vacation too??

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  33. Pamalea Payne
    Pamalea Payne September 8, 2017 at 6:22 am

    But lookah hurricane Irma

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  34. hcalndre September 8, 2017 at 6:23 am

    Ron, I would like to see most of the work places have a union shop and its mandatory that you will have to be in the union to work, not some and others are not at the same work place. Bajans are like house slaves where one can tell the master what the other(s) do and get favored with a few more crumbs unknown to the others. Although they read what Ms. Redman said about the many times she tried to have a meeting to get the matter solved, they are attacking her instead of the minister, that`s one of the reason why things are what they are because the politicians know that they are people that as long as it is not at their step they don`t care but what goes around comes around.

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  35. Saga Boy September 8, 2017 at 6:28 am

    I don’t see how Mary can win this case. Her son’s contract came to an end. His services were not terminated. The case involving the teacher at Combermere is also a non case. The employee was on probation and hence her services could have been terminated without notice. Mary is too disruptive with non issues.

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  36. Marcia Jpaul
    Marcia Jpaul September 8, 2017 at 6:32 am

    Again ..why is she always holding our kids education hostage. Shm!!!!

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  37. Maria T Holdipp
    Maria T Holdipp September 8, 2017 at 6:35 am

    I’m so sick of this woman, always on the war path… Isn’t she supposed to be a teacher? Your interest mam should be seeing that the children as taught and taught well, not you having your day like a soldier… Stupessssss man

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  38. Itz Queen
    Itz Queen September 8, 2017 at 6:35 am

    Why was the teacher dismissed? Was he in his right ? Was the ministry justified in their actions,These are the things we have to look at before we jump on the bandwagon.

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  39. Vishska Bokeesh
    Vishska Bokeesh September 8, 2017 at 6:49 am

    She needs to chill though Jesus

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  40. Carson C Cadogan September 8, 2017 at 6:51 am

    This woman is more stupid than a box of frogs.

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  41. Philip Irie Clement
    Philip Irie Clement September 8, 2017 at 6:52 am

    I really think there is something mentally wrong with this woman.

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  42. Gail Jewel
    Gail Jewel September 8, 2017 at 7:06 am

    Again!

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  43. Gail Jewel
    Gail Jewel September 8, 2017 at 7:09 am

    This is one issue over a teachers presumed unfair dismissal. Well deal with that and stop making a spark a raging fire!

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  44. Robin John
    Robin John September 8, 2017 at 7:12 am

    They really just need to stop.

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  45. Pamela Smith
    Pamela Smith September 8, 2017 at 7:16 am

    every year so wtf

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  46. Tricia Mondore
    Tricia Mondore September 8, 2017 at 7:23 am

    I guess person here that are commenting did not hear of the issue surrounding this current situation because if they did these comments would be going in a different direction of support for the teachers. Shame on you for this misleading headline.

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    • Kathyann Best
      Kathyann Best September 8, 2017 at 7:26 am

      We also have to support our children as well! You know what it is to send

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    • Kathyann Best
      Kathyann Best September 8, 2017 at 7:27 am

      To send you child to school for a whole year and the teacher hardly there?

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  47. Mavis Smith
    Mavis Smith September 8, 2017 at 7:36 am

    She really want something doing this her.. she’s a nuisance.

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  48. Mary Paul
    Mary Paul September 8, 2017 at 7:36 am

    back in you day they was the extended family, teachers have rights like everyone, and a lot of parents want free baby sitters, schools have people that look after the children for a small fee, Teachers have children and husbands to look after and homes to take of just like everyone else, some of the people in Barbados seem to have forgotten that if it were not for teacher they would not have jobs or, politicians or doctors etc etc etc , Teachers teach every trade in the world, And Sabastian they still work overtime ,sometimes when 6pm not home yet and when 2,3 in morning still working to correct children papers ect, but we have become community of ungrateful people, and the persons who spend and look after our children most of the time we don’t ever have their backs when they ask for help

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  49. Sandra Madea
    Sandra Madea September 8, 2017 at 7:41 am
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  50. Mechell Springer
    Mechell Springer September 8, 2017 at 7:48 am

    Every single year there must be an issue on the eve of schools reopening. The education of our children should not have to suffer this EVERY YEAR!!!!

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  51. Thunder September 8, 2017 at 7:48 am

    I am sorry but she is a Jezebel,and she is behaving like a bully, they had 10 weeks now she want to disrupt the start of school,and they wonder why the kids can be no better,you do not have the interest of our kids at heart, what needs to happen is all of us need to keep our kids at home,and force people like you on the bread line!

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  52. Blessed Bobb
    Blessed Bobb September 8, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Redman throwing tantrums again!

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  53. Marilyn Curreny
    Marilyn Curreny September 8, 2017 at 7:54 am

    No new news

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  54. Alicia Holder
    Alicia Holder September 8, 2017 at 8:02 am

    Not now man, this is ridiculous.

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  55. Carlyn Williams
    Carlyn Williams September 8, 2017 at 8:11 am

    Every time u look,it is something different with this woman.she should be praying and thanking God for spearing Barbados from Irma.All thoes countries that Irma mush up and human lives that are in turmoil,and all she can do is be a war hog all the time.be a peacekeeping for once.

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  56. Kearn Williams
    Kearn Williams September 8, 2017 at 8:12 am

    …and Irma strikes again

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  57. Cheryl Walrond
    Cheryl Walrond September 8, 2017 at 8:30 am

    She is very disruptive

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  58. Pat Codrington
    Pat Codrington September 8, 2017 at 8:32 am

    She need to stop disrupting children’s life for her own personal gain.

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  59. Ejd September 8, 2017 at 8:35 am

    Do not blame Mary Redman for doing her job. Blame the Ministry fot not doing theirs. I am shocked at the most of these anti-Redman posts. The goodly woman is trying to represent a Barbadian not an alien.

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    • tedd September 8, 2017 at 11:19 am

      if a workers rights were violated all must be done to make wrong things right. if on of those critics of Mary were wrongfully terminated then they would be singing a different song. the question is not why Mary is always keeping noise , it is why are there so many reasons created by the employer that require noise to be kept. Workers must stand together in strength to ensure that decent and respectable work is available for all.

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  60. E Jerome Davis
    E Jerome Davis September 8, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Ashley, you are one who puts the rights of people in the forefront. How can you now condemn Ms Redman for doing the same?

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  61. Lionel Gittens
    Lionel Gittens September 8, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Hope it’s not political.

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  62. E Jerome Davis
    E Jerome Davis September 8, 2017 at 8:39 am

    No. She is one Leader who is looking out for the rights of her Barbadian colleagues. You should be condemning the Ministry for not getting it right.

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  63. Alex Alleyne September 8, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Not a great move to disrupt the Schools . It’s the Children that suffer in the end . Mary will be PAID no matter what.
    If the POLITICS are removed from all these meetings , then things will move forward.
    Funny thing is then You clowns in the end blame the Youth.

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    • tedd September 8, 2017 at 11:21 am

      Mary is not a Labourite nor a Dems as she is the same no matter which party is in power, check the record

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  64. E Jerome Davis
    E Jerome Davis September 8, 2017 at 8:41 am

    I am ashamed of the many comments here. Here is a woman who spends her life trying ensure that other Barbadians are not taken advantage of and she is being cursed. Unbelievable.

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    • Sherlock Holmes. September 8, 2017 at 10:49 am

      Jerome are you serious? A woman who spends her life trying to ensure that other Barbadians are not taken advantage of ? Yet taking advantage of the innocent school children of this country. SBA’S at a certain school were not corrected and students were traumatized at their results and now there is talk of a grievous situation that is being circulated concerning a student though the facts might not be clear or related one has to wonder what is really going on and you are really seeking to defend this woman who is the author of confusion? Jerome you are someone whom i know well but we have to part company on this, this woman is just bad for the school system.

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  65. E Jerome Davis
    E Jerome Davis September 8, 2017 at 8:43 am

    The Ministry of Education is failing the children in many areas. Stay tuned.

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  66. Waiting September 8, 2017 at 9:11 am

    The problem with her is that she is too soft and understanding to allow this matter to drag on so long.

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  67. Alleyne Heath
    Alleyne Heath September 8, 2017 at 9:28 am

    She needs to go on her knees and pray,children in those islands that Irma destroyed will glad to enter school and she threatening to disrupt schools.

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  68. Nickk September 8, 2017 at 9:34 am

    Somebody like they promise her the post of Chief Education Officer.

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  69. milli watt September 8, 2017 at 9:40 am

    I got my doubts about the 30,000 walking in the streets the other day wanting to topple a government and the responses I am seeing in this thread………..but that is water under the bridge. This is what I admire about this labour leader she knows when to get the most from a situation and I was hoping she would distance herself from de choke and rob methods of the other two. Keep doing what you do best MARY AND THAT IS REPRESENT LABOUR. will leave this crowd in de hands a IRMA, JOSE, GILBERT

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  70. Jackie Griffith
    Jackie Griffith September 8, 2017 at 9:46 am

    Every year the same ish Ms.Redman don’t you realise our children suffer.

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  71. Nicholas Mackie
    Nicholas Mackie September 8, 2017 at 10:00 am

    Oh lord ….the poor children

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  72. Marcia Brathwaite
    Marcia Brathwaite September 8, 2017 at 10:08 am

    Woman, what’s wrong with you. Every time school about to start you coming with some crap, you really need a life. Come on now tell the public who is that teacher at the St. Michael School that you ready to disrupt the system for?

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  73. Michelle Griffith
    Michelle Griffith September 8, 2017 at 10:10 am

    If this woman was doing what she doing,and achieve what she set out to achieve,I would be very proud of her,but she is a waste of time,energy and human.
    I am so happy that my daughter is out of Secondary School system,because I just can’t with this woman.

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  74. Roger Headley September 8, 2017 at 11:07 am

    Here is the real problem that persons have with Mary Redman. After 9 weeks with the children that you all lie down, stand up or whatever to get, you all are now fearful that school may be disrupted and you all will have to spend even one more day with your ‘demons’. Can’t wait for the Babysitters to get in position to receive your children with their $250 bags, shoes, phones etc. but $0 in manners, intellect or discipline. Before you seek to abuse try walking a mile in teachers’ shoes.

    Mary, you may not be appreciated by the masses but for those in the teaching profession they have seen the writing on the wall. If school has to be disrupted, then disrupt it. Barbados Today readers are a bunch of hypocrites – they know this government is made up of a bunch of jokers and are prepared to ‘curse’ them about the NSRL etc. Ronald Jones call wunna children demons etc. and wunna cuss he but he is the same joker that Mary fighting but because wunna want wunna children out the house wunna cussing she.

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    • Ernesta Catlyn September 8, 2017 at 11:22 am

      I read these comments and shake my head in amazement. The verbal abuse clearly indicates that you all do not know one thing about Mary Ann Redman.

      What the Board at the St. Michael school did, in collaboration with the Min of Educ. was spiteful and vindictive – it can be seen as nothing short of an act of vengeance. But you know what, God says vengeance is His and when man seeks to take God’s place there is always a price to pay. In Mary’s position, I would sit quietly and watch God do what He does best.

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  75. Roger Headley September 8, 2017 at 11:10 am

    If the teacher at St Michael school is Mary’s son – she right. All these years fighting for others and then when her son affected not fight for him. If it was wunna child, what wunna would do – hypocrites?

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    • tedd September 8, 2017 at 11:25 am

      if it is indeed her son or relative then is it not possible that he may be a target of victimisation to get at Mary. it is a possibility

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  76. Ernesta Catlyn September 8, 2017 at 11:23 am

    You talk about Mary being political, but when politicians use their position for wrong, then you need to get political

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  77. Darson September 8, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    she is a good teacher : see what is happening in the schools.
    every little thing is a fuss and fight ,no conflict resolution ,just be as disruptive as possible when you want things your way , well done Red Woman ( Red is real danger so watch out)

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  78. Patrick September 8, 2017 at 4:15 pm

    Mary Redman is bad news, why was your son disrespectful to the Principal?

    Like mother like son.

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    • Roger Headley September 8, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      Patrick you are wicked. I am sure that Mrs. Mayers can tell no one that he was ever disrespectful to her.

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  79. Bajan boy September 8, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    Wonder why these DLP yardies didnt say the sasme thing about Jeff Broomes when he was disrupting everything . Now he is a DLP surrogate on Radio DLP.

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  80. Veda September 8, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    Every year at commencement of the School Year the same damn foolishness. Why can’t this be done during the vacation period?

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    • mARIA hOLDER September 8, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      That’s the Union’s responsibility or the Ministry of Education’s?

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  81. BIGSKY September 8, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    Whenever I hear her name call,I look for some kind of foolishness involving punishing innocent children with her actions

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  82. Miche September 10, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    Some people out there believe that Government jobs are forever ,,,protected by a do as you please,never get fired, clause.

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