It’s a betrayal!

Massay accuses Gov’t of selling out medical profession for ‘30 pieces of silver’

Physician Dr Raymond Massay has criticized the increase in the number of offshore medical schools in Barbados, suggesting it was a betrayal of the medical profession here by the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) administration.

Speaking at the oath taking ceremony for the University of the West Indies (UWI) graduating medical class of 2017 at Mahogany Ridge, St Thomas, Dr Massay said the foreign schools had been welcomed here through the proverbial “30 pieces of silver”.

Dr Raymond Massay

Parliament last year approved the Education in Medicine and other Health Professions Bill, paving the way for more offshore medical schools to join the one already established here.

Speaking on behalf of the UWI Medical Alumni Association, Dr Massay recalled that the association was born in 1984 out of a need to stave off the inflow of offshore medical schools into Barbados and the rest of the Caribbean.

However, the cardiologist blamed the ruling DLP for creating a view of offshore medical schools as an “economic panacea” and for facilitating what he deemed to be a backward medical shift.

“In the beginning of the association times were different. The party in Opposition [the Barbados Labour Party] was the party in power, and the party in power [the DLP] was the party in Opposition,” he said, adding, “at that time the idea of the offshore medical schools as an economic panacea was definitely not on.

“The idea of selling your sovereignty for 30 pieces of silver then was also an anathema to us young socialists,” Dr Massay said, adding: “My, how things have changed!”

He said that at the time of the association’s formation “the express challenge was to take on the presence of the offshore medical schools in the West Indies because they were casting a negative shadow on the University of the West Indies”.

The prominent doctor was supported in his comments by retired Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at UWI, Cave Hill Sir Henry Fraser, who described the offshore universities as business entities of convenience.

Sir Henry told the graduating class: “Today’s world is seduced by glamorous claims of many kinds of alternative practices, and also by the claims of business oriented medical schools, offshore schools, otherwise known as the for-profit schools, providing a special kind of medical education for those who don’t make it into the North American schools, or for Middle-Eastern students using it as a stepping stone into the US of A.

“Their reason for existing is business first because the demand exists and medicine is the business of their business.”

He warned, “our great University of the West Indies and the standards we set and we have all received, tailored to the needs of our Caribbean people, are under constant threat by a new society”. 

48 Responses to It’s a betrayal!

  1. Everton Henry June 12, 2017 at 10:40 pm

    Please pay attention to articles like this.

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  2. Saga Boy June 12, 2017 at 11:24 pm

    So what is the threat? These money grabbing doctors don’t like competition. They behave like chefette when they used to object to any fast food restaurant wanting to set up in Barbados. The doc has to explain in detail how doctors are being betrayed.

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  3. Grenville Norville June 13, 2017 at 7:21 am

    DR; Raymond Massay,has no choice but to defend the doctors here in Barbados, a scam has been going on @ the Q.E.H. for years & years where Poor Barbadians will either pay absorbent prices for operations or die,I was told by physicians @ the QEH when i needed joint replacement for my knee that the wating list@ the QEH is to long @ that if ipayed the sum of $65,000.00 as a starting price i would get the operation immediately through miss Moreen Holder radio talk host, I was able to fly with my wife to Cuba, where it was done FREE I spent 2months @ a very lovely hospital there & i paid No money for my hospital stay,( that will never happen in Barbados( my wife wanted eye surgery she was told the starting price here, is over $4,000.00 dollars we flew to ST lucia to a cuban clinic, & the operation was done for FREE, The doctors in Barbados dont want any outside clinics comming here because it would cut off the big money that they are getting from ripping off poor barbadians,( they forget their is a GOD in Heaven who sayes I wii plead the cause of the poor & fatherless I have made provision in ST.Lucia for any barbadian that want surgery for cataract to have it done for Free forget these bagans rip off Artist you can contact me @ ( greg777norville@gmail.com)

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  4. Kevin June 13, 2017 at 8:36 am

    What’s the threat?

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  5. Alex Alleyne June 13, 2017 at 9:02 am

    Ask anyone if they ever visit his office without dropping a cool BDS$500.00 or more.

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  6. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 9:54 am

    Saga BoyJune 12, 2017 at 11:24 pm
    So what is the threat?
    There is no threat or competition to what you call ‘‘money grabbing doctors.” As far as I know, there are no doctors trained at any of these bogus medical schools treating local people in Barbados or any of the other islands except perhaps, one that I know of in Jamaica. There may also be one or two in St Lucia.

    Dr Massey is speaking about a comparison of the quality of medical education received by doctors trained at UWI as compared to the several bogus institutions that are increasingly dotting the Carribean scene, especially over the last 15 years.

    Grenville Norville, your rant is a wallop of bovine effluent. Dr Raymond Massay is not defending the doctors here in Barbados, or seeking to perpetuate any scam @ the Q.E.H. for years & years.

    He is speaking about the quality of medical education offered at UWI MEDICAL SCHOOL compared to the substandard bogus offshore medical schools. AND HE IS 100 percent correct.

    Have any of you attended an offshore medical school or participated in any of them? If not -shut up.

    An offshore Carribean medical school is essentially a parasitic relationship between greedy business men and equally greedy and myopic politicians in cash strapped islands. Such politicians see the students brought to the schools as long term tourists who contribute to the local economy by paying rents and paying for other basic goods and services.

    NONE OF THESE SCHOOLS CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO ANY OF THESE ISLANDS. THEY DO NOT PROVIDE MEDICAL EXPERTISE OR EQUIPMENT , DO MEANINGFUL RESEARCH

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  7. Milli Watt June 13, 2017 at 10:00 am

    bring all the others want to see doctors from all around the world in specialist areas, research, palliative care. Massey is a reflection of a group a parasites who have hidden behind lousy pretense and class structure.

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  8. Milli Watt June 13, 2017 at 10:02 am

    I see that crowd at the hospital piggish, unmannerly, inept, idol, I wonder how some get to practice but this is what we have.

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  9. Milli Watt June 13, 2017 at 10:03 am

    I want to see the place free up with the lawyers, engineers, accountant and the like. get a new thinking and reduction in fees so this system can grow.

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  10. Carson C Cadogan June 13, 2017 at 10:09 am

    Simply RUBBISH!!!

    if people like him dont know what to say, they should just shut up. What he said makes no sense at all.

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  11. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 10:15 am

    It is very alarming that we claim to have a litterate populace, but yet we can not understand what is said or put in print in English

    There ARE NOW TWO BOGUS MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN BIM.
    QUESTION: HOW MANY BAJAN DOCTORS ARE EMPLOYED THERE

    HOW MANY OF THE BOGUS MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN THE CARRIBEAN EMPLOY LOCAL DOCTORS—EXCEPT AAIMS IN JAMAICA, WHICH HAS EXPERIENCED GREAT DIFFICULTY IN GETTING LOCAL DRS TO WORK FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR LOYALTY TO THEIR ALMA MATER , UWI

    HOW MANY OF THESE BOGUS SCHOOLS HAVE CLOSED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS
    HOW MANY ARE JUST HOLDING ON
    HOW MANY SHORT CHANGE THE STUDENTS BY HAVING THEM TAUGHT BY POORLY PAID INEXEPRIENCED DRS FROM INDIA

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  12. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 10:25 am

    i TAUGHT AT A BOGUS MEDICAL SCHOOL WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY PREPARING STUDENTS FOR THE USMLE EXAM- AN EXAM THAT ALL WOULD BE DRS MUST PASS TO START THEIR JOURNEY TO WORK IN THE USA.

    IT WOULD SHOCK YOU TO HEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT AND OWNER REJECTED THE USMLE OBJECTIVES AS THE ROAD MAP BY WHICH THE STUDENTS SHOULD BE TAUGHT

    IT SHOULD NOT SURPRISE YOU TO KNOW THAT AFTER SIX YEARS ONLY SIX STUDENTS FROM THAT SCHOOL HAS PASSED THE FIRST STEP OF THE USMLE PROCESS

    THERE ARE NOW THREE UWI MEDICAL SCHOOLS
    WHEREAS UWI DOES NOT PREPARE STUDENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE USMLE EXAM DO YOU KNOW THAT THE UWI SCHOOL HAVE THE HIGHEST PASS RATES OF THOSE STUDENTS WHO TAKE THIS EXAM.

    ONLY ROSS AND ST GEORGE STUDENTS COME CLOSE

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  13. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 10:34 am

    Offshore bogus Carribbean medical schools begin by posting a lovely website.

    IN 2002 the school with the loveliest website turned out to be an INTERNET SCHOOL. There were about 8 students on campus, with 3 teachers and about 100 online

    The ONLINE teach was supposed to be teaching 8 groups simultaneously all that they needed to know. HILARIOUS

    ALL THIS WAS EXPOSED ON THE NOW OBSOLETE WEB PAGE CALLED GUIDE TO FOREIGN MEDICAL SCHOOLS AND ON VALUEMD RESULTING IN THE CLOSURE OF THE SCHOOL FOR A WHILE

    IT IS BACK UP AGAIN WITH THE SAME MODU OPERANDI

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  14. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 10:46 am

    WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THAT OPERATES FROM ABOVE A COOK SHOP IN VIEUX FORT ST LUCIA STARTED BY A RICH INDIAN FROM DALLAS SO THAT HIS SON COULD GO TO MED SCHOOL

    OR THE ONE IN ANTIGUA STARTED BY A DRUG RUNNER FROM CHICAGO THAT WHEN IT HAD HARD TIMES STARTED BRINGING THE STUDENTS TO THE ISLANDS FOR A MONTH THREE TIMES A YEAR FOR CRASH CLASSES SO THAT CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS BE FULFILLED

    THIS IS THE QUALITY THAT DR MASSEY IS COMPARING VS UWI

    WHY WOULD THE GOVERNMENT WANT TO SANCTION OFFHORE BOGUS MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN BIM

    TO LINE THE POCKETS OF GOVERNMENT FOLK TO WHOM THE SCHOOL MUST PAY A MOST EXORBITANT FEE FOR THE CHARTER TO OPERATE AND GRANT DEGREES

    THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS COLLECTING NUFF MONEY FOR THE WORK PERMITS FOR ALL THE TEACHING STAFF MEMBERS BROUGHT IN TO TEACH THE STUDENTS ABOUT WAYNES AND MUZZELS

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  15. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 10:52 am

    WHAT ABOUT THE OFF SHOOT FROM WHEN IUHS CLOSED CALLED ST TERESA’S WHERE THE MAN WHO HAD BECOME PRESIDENT OF IUHS WAS FOUND NOT TO HAVE PASSED THE REQUISITE EXAMS TO QUALIFY HIM AS A DR

    WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOOL IN GUYANA WHERE STUDENTS WHO WERE THE CHILDREN OF PROMINENT OFFICIALS IN NIGERIA AND DUBAI COULD NOT PASS THE QUALIFYING EXAMS TO ENABLE THEM TO PRACTICE IN THESE COUNTRIES

    THE CASH STRAPPED GOVERNMENT OF BARBADOS HAS INDEED SUNK VERY VERY VERY LOW TO ENTERTAIN BOGUS SUBSTANDARD MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN OUR COUNTRY

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  16. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 11:26 am

    Recently Sir Henry Fraser said ‘ ‘ in delivering biting criticism of offshore medical schools,’ that ‘they were a “constant threat” despite the standards that had been set by the UWI, and the quality of training it delivered that was tailored to the needs of Caribbean people.

    This can not be denied. It is very clear that the quality of training delivered to both undergraduate and post graduate medical personel has been tailored to the needs of Caribbean people.

    Dr Raymond Massay’s criticism of the increase in the number of offshore medical schools in Barbados as a betrayal of the medical profession here by the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) administration, is also very pertinent.
    It definitely can not be denied that the foreign schools had been welcomed here through the proverbial “30 pieces of silver”.

    That parliament last year approved the Education in Medicine and other Health Professions Bill, paving the way for more offshore medical schools to join the one already established here, is a clear indication that THE BARBADOS GOVERNMENT IS CASH STRAPPED. THY ARE SCRAPING THE BARREL.

    WHAT HAS THESE SCHOOLS OFFERED TO THE PEOPLE OF BARBADOS

    HOW MUCH MONEY DID THESE SCHOOLS PAY FOR THEIR CHARTERS TO OPERATE

    One of the great disadvantages of the presence of these bogus schools on the island to the populace will be a drastic rise in house
    rent………just as has occurred in st Kitts in particular from my own observation

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  17. Greengiant June 13, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    These are the same medical professionals who have contributed to our economic strangulation. They are charging high fees, using the Q E H consultancy positions as a marketing position, and worst of all not paying their fare share of taxes. No Dr. Massey, i’m sorry but expose the corrupt eggs within your fraternity if you expect to get our support.

    Bring on the medical schools. At least they will invest directly in the economy, and one day help poor Barbadians with their medical needs. Why don’t you all pay your fare share of taxes, hiding under false declarations. By the way, tell us the position of B A M P on the Barbados Revenue Authority.

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  18. Nathaniel Samuels June 13, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    This is but only one area where the government has sold us out for ’30 pieces of silver’

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  19. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    I WELCOME ANY OF YOU MORONS COMING HERE TO TEACH ME ABOUT OFFSHORE BOGUS MED SCHOOLS
    I CAN DRAG UP ALL THE JUICY STUFF FROM VALUEMD FOR YOU

    UNFORTUNATELY THEY GOT THE WHOLE SITE PULLED DOWN THAT REPORTED WHAT WENT ON AT MANY OF THESE SCHOOLS THAT WERE DRIVEN INTO OBLIVION

    FOLLOW THIS THREAD ON VALUEMD AND SEE HOW A LITTLE MONEY CAN GET ARTICLES PULLED DOWN FROM THE WEB THAT WERE DESIGNED TO WARN UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE FROM LOSING THEIR MONEY IN THSE SCHOOLS
    http://www.valuemd.com/st-theresas-medical-university/

    CUSS DRS AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE WHAT HENRY FRASER AND MASSAY HAS SAID ABOUT BOGUS MED SCHOOLS CAN NOT BE REFUTED

    I KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK

    FROM MEXICO TO RANATUNGA TO BONAIRE AND CURACAO, ST KITTS ANTIGUA JAMAICA AND OTHER PLACES AND 15 YEARS RESEARCHING ON VALUEMD AND OTHER PLACES

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  20. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    BARBADOS TODAY YOU CAN MODERATE TILL THE COWS COME HOME BUT IT IS WRONG FOR THE CASH STRAPPED FAILING DLP GOVERNMENT TO GRANT CHARTERS TO TWO BOGUS OFFSHORE MEDICAL SCHOOLS WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BARBADOS.

    THE MEDICAL ILLITERATES WHO HAVE MUMBLED BS ON THIS TOPIC HERE, KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MEDICAL EDUCATION , THE HISTORY OF THE BOGUS MED SCHOOL INDUSTRY OR ABOUT THE POOR STANDARDS OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 30 OR SO BOGUS SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE CARRIBEAN SINCE 1978

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  21. Biscuits June 13, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    Why the loud rant?
    People (patients) are free to express their personal opinions.
    Tired of the ‘no-it-alls’ who come on these sites and attempt to cry down or bully others.
    That is surely not the way sway public opinion!

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  22. gsmiley June 13, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    First of all we are talking about off shore medical schools not our local doctors who are by the way some of the best trained in the world.

    If you do not know Bdos had the first teaching hospital in the Caribbean QEH and we train brilliant doctors up to today.

    Dr Massay’s focus is on these medical schools which are coming here now a dime a dozen.

    It has nothing to do with competition from doctors from overseas Saga

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  23. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    Biscuits
    iTS NOT A LOUD RANT
    IT IS AN AUTHORITATIVE EXPOSITION
    I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT BOGUS OFFSHORE SCHOOLS WITH AUTHORITY AND WITHOUT FEAR OF CONTRADICTION
    PEOPLE ARE FREE to express their personal opinions BUT THEY SHOULD LEARN TO STAY ON POINT AND STICK WITH THE TOPIC
    WHICH IS BOGUS OFFSHORE MEDICAL STOOLS VS UWI MEDICAL SCHOOL
    NOW GO AND STAND IN THE CORNER YOU TWIT

    gsmiley
    actually the first teaching hospitals in the ENGLISH SPEAKING CARRIBEAN WERE IN JAIMACA
    KINSTON PUBLIC HOSPITAL
    THEN THE UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL OF THE WEST INDIES AT MONA
    QEH ONLY BECAME A TEACHING HOSPITAL IN 1967
    IT IS TRUE TOO THAT UWI HAS TRAINED GREAT DRS

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  24. Sheron Inniss June 13, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    The only problem I have with the article is the comment about alternative medicine which I trust more than conventional. Furthermore one can get murdered by doctors in Barbados and be none the wiser. It happened to a friend of mine. That doctor’s retribution will come, ’cause GOD don’t like ugly.

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  25. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    gsmiley
    UWI EXPANDED CLINICAL TEACHING TO THE EASTERN CARRIBEAN AT QEH BARBADOS,
    PORT OF SPAIN GENERAL AND SAN FERNANDO HOSPITAL TRINIDAD
    THIS RESULTED IN THE EXPANSION OF THE SERVICES AT QEH AS UWI SENT SPECIALISTS DOWN TO QEH TO TEACH THE FINAL YEAR STUDENTS
    IN 1977 QEH STARTED TO ALSO RECEIVING BOTH FOURTH AND FINAL YEAR STUDENTS

    ONE OF THE FEATURES OF UWI MEDICAL SCHOOL NOT SEEN IN THE BOGUS MEDICAL STOOLS IS THE PRESENCE OF EXTERNAL EXAMINERS FOR ALL EXAMS

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  26. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    Sheron Inniss
    ONE CAN ALSO BE MURDERED BY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE
    ALTERNATIVE MEDICINES ARE JUST AS POTENTIALLY POISONOUS AS CONVENTIONAL MEDICINES

    ALL MEDICINES ARE POTENTIALLY POISONOUS—BUT THAT CALLS FOR A SERIOUS PHARMACOLOGY LESSON

    BTW, I AM ALSO CERTIFIED IN BOTANICAL MEDICINE

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  27. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS I HAVE BEEN EXPOSING BOGUS MEDICAL STOOLS ON VALUEMD
    NOT ONLY HAVE I SUCCEEDED IN INHIBITING THE GROWTH OF SOME, I HAVE ALSO DRIVEN SOME INTO EXTINCTION AT THE PERIL OF LOSING MY LIFE- BUT THAT IS ANOTHER STORY

    WE DO NOT NEED OFFSHORE MEDICAL STOOLS IN BARBADOS MAKING PROMISES THEY CAN NOT, AND DO NOT PLAN TO KEEP

    UWI CAVE HILL ALONE IS PRODUCING MORE THAN ENOUGH DRS FOR BARBADOS AND EXPORTING SOME TO THE USA AND CANADA

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  28. lswiltshire June 13, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    BISCUIT AND OTHER MEDICAL ILLITERATES TELL ME
    HOW CAN YOU LEARN AND ABSORB PATHOLOGY OR PHARMACOLOGY OR ANATOMY OR ANY OF THE BASIC SCIENCES IN ONE 16 WEEK SEMESTER

    DO YOU TWITS KNOW THAT MOST OF THESE SCHOOLS CAN NOT FIND ENOUGH ADEQUATE CLINICAL LOCATIONS FOR THEIR STUDENTS TO DO THEIR REQUIRED CLINICAL ROTATIONS WHICH IS PART OF THEIR TRAINING

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  29. Biscuits June 13, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    I would hate to think that you are in any way representative of a profession which is held in such high esteem. Your abusive and condescendiing manner is certainly unbecoming, but then again hidden behind the key board ….we’re all warriors!

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  30. gsmiley June 13, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    Ok Iswiltshire I thought it was 66. I stand corrected. I know that QEH turns out good doctors my daughter is one.

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  31. joan Worrell June 13, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    @lswiltshire

    Gone are the days when people like you would make Bajans shiver when you speak. Why is it that the NHS of the U.K honours claims from patients treated with alternative medicine ? You don’t have to use insulting words to respond

    Why you could get alternative treatment on the NHS

    by NAOMI COLEMAN, femail.co.uk

    If you pay for complementary medicine to help prevent disease or improve specific health problems, you are not alone.

    One in five Britons now spend a total of £450 million a year on treatments such as acupuncture, osteopathy, homeopathy and aromatherapy.

    But many people don’t realise that alternative treatments are becoming increasingly available on the NHS.

    According to The Foundation of Integrated Medicine – an independent body which aims to combine orthodox and alternative therapies – complementary medicine is now available through ten per cent of doctors’ surgeries or alternative hospitals.

    And, depending on your doctor, some alternative remedies are also available on prescription.

    This shift in thinking is well-documented. A recent survey by the department of health found more than two thirds of doctors believe alternative therapies should be available free on the NHS.

    ‘The whole field is more sympathetic to complementary medicine compared to five years ago,’ says Dr Mary Helsey of Glastonbury Health Centre.

    ‘This is because science is proving that some treatments such as osteopathy and homeopathy are effective and practitioners are well regulated.’

    However, not all complementary medicine is recommended on the NHS.

    Health experts say alternative treatments fall into three main groups. Those therapies that are recommended, those that are accepted and those that are dismissed.

    Most popular are acupuncture, osteopathy, homeopathy, chiropractice and herbal medicine. This is because these therapies are regulated by professional bodies and supported by scientific evidence.

    While the NHS accepts that massage, aromatherapy, meditation, reflexology and meditation can benefit patients, these therapies lack proper regulation.

    On the other hand, doctors dismiss Ayurvedic medicine, Chinese medicine, iridology and crystal therapies on the basis of insufficient scientific evidence.

    And, not every general practice offers complementary medicine. Whether your treatment is free depends on how much money your local surgery sets aside for these therapies from its budget. Each health authority will decide whether complementary medicine meets local needs or not.

    If your practice is in favour of complementary medicine there are a number of ways you can get alternative treatment on the NHS.

    The NHS has part-funded some surgeries to employ alternative therapists. This means patients pay a reduced rate of around £6 per session – compared to the going rate of around £30 for one hour. Other practices work closely with complementary therapists and offer an entirely free service.

    Doctors also refer patients to one of five homeopathic hospitals in the country – which offer a wide variety of treatments including acupuncture, relaxtion therapy and osteopathy.

    In some cases, doctors may advise patients to see a private alternative therapist which will be partly funded by the NHS.

    It is also possible to get prescriptions – currently around £6.10 – for homeopathic, nutritional medicine or herbal remedies if a doctor feels this will help the patient.

    Even if complementary medicine is not offered at your local surgery, it’s likely that more funding will become available in the future. The Department of Health even has plans to invest £18 million in the Royal London Homeopathic hospital.

    Health experts are confident that the future is looking hopeful for complementary medicine.

    ‘Emerging evidence is proving that some alternative therapies are effective in restoring people back to health. It looks like complementary medicine is finally getting the big vote of confidence,’ said Dr Peter Fisher, clinical director at the Royal London Homoeopathic hospital.

    The Department of Health agrees complementary medicine has a part to play in the NHS.

    ‘If scientific research proves to be effective, there will be more funding available for complementary medicine,’ said a spokesperson.

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  32. louis wiltshire June 14, 2017 at 9:56 am

    joan Worrell
    your long set of rubbish does not refute the only point i made about alternative medicine
    ALL MEDICINES ARE POISONS- ALL
    MANY NATURAL PRODUCTS ARE POISONOUS
    YOU MUST KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING

    RE Gone are the days when people like you would make Bajans shiver when you speak. Why is it that the NHS of the U.K honours claims from patients treated with alternative medicine ? You don’t have to use insulting words to respond

    I DONT WANT TO MAKE BAJANS SHIVER
    I SPOKE AUTHORITATIVELY ABOUT BOGUS MEDICAL SCHOOLS
    I HAVE RECEIVED TRAINING IN BOTANICAL MEDICINE
    AND CONSULT WITH A COUSIN WHO GRADUATED FROM ROSS AND THEN STUDIED AND PRACTICES ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE

    gsmiley

    CONGRATS ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER BEING A UWI GRADUATE

    Biscuits
    RE I would hate to think
    HUH WHAT WITH

    AGAIN THE TOPIC IS ON BOGUS MEDICAL SCHOOLS

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  33. joan Worrell June 14, 2017 at 10:10 am

    Hi Louis

    You still don’t scare Bajans, especially me, from being critical of your pompous behaviour in responding to other contributors to the post.
    You called other subscribers to this column “morons’. I am sure that if you drive your car without motor oil and take it to one of the mechanics whom you are insulting in this column, he would call you a ‘moron’’
    I asked you to comment on the U.K NHS honouring alternative medicines/practices to find out if you were of the same opinion as Sir Henry on the topic of alternative medicine since that is the medication which is keeping two of my family members alive in the U.K.
    Sir Henry told the graduating class: “Today’s world is seduced by glamorous claims of many kinds of alternative practices, and also by the claims of business oriented medical schools, offshore schools, otherwise known as the for-profit schools, providing a special kind of medical education for those who don’t make it into the North American schools, or for Middle-Eastern students using it as a stepping stone into the US of A.
    My interpretation of the above statement by Sir Henry , is that he is putting many kinds of alternative practices in the same category as business oriented medical schools and offshore schools. Say what you like, he comes over in a tongue -in-cheek manner, as degrading alternative practices/medicines. Isn’t today’s world seduced by liposuction glamorous claims? Every day warnings are heard on the news media about takings many conventional medications.
    Sir Henry should have stuck to offshore hospitals and forget the alternative practices/medicines. And now I ask the question which others posed to you earlier ‘’Of what concern is the off shore hospital to you Massey and Fraser? No Barbadians are trained or treated there. If the Government can get some revenue from that source, it will help the economy. Let the American Government tell the Barbadian Government to close it down. They are not operating illegally. I am sure that they are employing Bajan maintenance people, buying Bajan products etc.. It is no different from having casinos on the island where locals aren’t involved in the gambling. Yes, we have sold our sovereignty for 30 pieces of silver. Are you aware that the Bahamas have no sovereignty since their economy is driven by tourism and all the evils that go with it. According to Forbes, half of Singapore’s billionaires didn’t get their riches by inheritance or through real estate.The Government admits that it can’t account for all transactions that go on in their Freeport. Corruption abounds in this country and yet it gets an S&P Credit Rating of AAA. Do you know how many businesses in Barbados especially hotels are owned by money launderers with their head office in Singapore or Switzerland? . Fidel Castro once said that he would negotiate with Satan to turn around his economy. Stick to your medicine or form a political party like the late Dr. Haynes . Fraser is already in the Senate. He will make a first class candidate. We need people of your calibre in politics as an alternative to the two parties with the same ideologies.

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  34. lswiltshire June 14, 2017 at 11:04 am

    joan Worrell

    RE You still don’t scare Bajans, NEVER PLANNED TO

    from being critical of your pompous behaviour in responding to other contributors to the post.
    I HAVE RESPONDED TO THEM AS THEY DESERVE

    You called other subscribers to this column “morons’. I am sure that if you drive your car without motor oil WHY WOULD I DO THAT

    I asked you to comment on the U.K NHS honouring alternative medicines/practices to find out if you were of the same opinion as Sir Henry on the topic of alternative medicine since that is the medication which is keeping two of my family members alive in the U.K. AND I TOLD YOU THAT I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH SOME ALTERNATIVE MEDICINES AND THAT THEY HAVE SIDE EFECTS ALSO

    Sir Henry told the graduating class: offshore schools, otherwise known as the for-profit schools, providing a special kind of medical education for those who don’t make it into the North American schools, or for Middle-Eastern students using it as a stepping stone into the US of A.

    THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY TRUE
    FRASER KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE STUDENT WHO ATTEND OFFSHORE SCHOOLS

    My interpretation of the above statement by Sir Henry , is that he is putting many kinds of alternative practices in the same category as business oriented medical schools and offshore schools. Say what you like, he comes over in a tongue -in-cheek manner, as degrading alternative practices/medicines. Sir Henry should have stuck to offshore hospitals and forget the alternative practices/medicines.

    HENRY FRASER CARES ABOUT HENRY FRASER AND ONLY WHAT HENRY FRASER THINKS.AND WANTS. DON’T JOIN ME WITH HIM, MADAM

    Isn’t today’s world seduced by liposuction glamorous claims? Every day warnings are heard on the news media about takings many conventional medications. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY THERE.

    ‘’Of what concern is the off shore hospital to you Massey and Fraser? No Barbadians are trained or treated there. WILL THEY IMPORT THEIR PATIENTS
    NEITHER MASSAY OR FRASER OR I SPOKE OF AN OFFSHORE HOSPITAL JOAN
    WE ARE ALL INTERSTED IN QUALITY MEDICAL EDUCATION

    Let the American Government tell the Barbadian Government to close it down.
    THE American Government DOES NOT REGULATE OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OFFSHORE MEDICAL SCHOOLS
    They are not operating illegally. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF THES SCHOOLS WITH OUT A WORK PERMIT. CLEARLY ILLEGAL

    I am sure that they are employing Bajan maintenance people, buying Bajan products etc..AN OFFSHORE SCHOOL SHOULD OFFER MUCH MORE TO THE HOST COUNTRY IN MY OPINION. THAT IS WHAT I TOLD THE GOVERNMENT OF THE COOK ISLANDS, AND THEY REFUSD TO GIVE SPSOM THE CHARTER

    Yes, we have sold our sovereignty for 30 pieces of silver. INDEED.

    IF YOU FOLLOW THE UWI MODEL, A MEDICAL SCHOOL SHOULD ENHANCE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HEALTH SERVICES IN THE COUNTRY OR AREA IN WHICH IT OPERATES. THIS DOES NOT OCCUR IN ANY OF THE SCHOOLS WITH WHICH I WAS ASSOCIATED
    OFFSHORE SCHOOLS ARE PARASITIC RELATIONSHIPS THAT BENEFIT THE OWNERS ONLY
    THEY DO NOT EVEN CARE ABOUT THEIR STUDENTS

    YOUR DIATRIBE ABOUT BAHAMAS AND SINGAPORE ETC IS OFF POINT, AND OF NO INTEREST TO ME

    RE We need people of your calibre in politics as an alternative to the two parties with the same ideologies.

    I HAVE ALREADY MADE MY CONTRIBUTION JOAN WITH OUT BEING IN POLITICS
    WHO DO YOU THINK FORMULATED THE PLAN TO RUN OUR NHS FROM THE POLYCLINICS IN 1985-EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT DO ALL THE THINGS I SUGGESTED
    IN ST LUCIA, THEY HAVE COPIED OUR IDEA ALONG WITH MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR XRAYS AND BLOOD TESTS ON SITE

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  35. Sheron Inniss June 14, 2017 at 11:21 am

    Yuh all tek off what i say but it is true. Th autopsy proved it. My friend family leffing he in the hands of the Lord as time longer than twine. He gotta pay.

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  36. joan Worrell June 14, 2017 at 11:21 am

    Yes Louis
    Everything is off point for you. Well let me get on point . You are dealing with offshore medical school only. That’s fine with me. I have a question for you. Since the offshore school is the devil itself, why did you work with the devil for 6 years. Was the money sweet? Did you have a debt to clear and the devil’s money was the best paying job at the time to make wrong things right? Since then, have you been washed in the blood of the lamb? Please give the Barbados Government a chance to deal with the devil and get some money to clear their debt. It is said that anyone who dealt with the devil in the past cannot condemn the devil in the future.

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  37. Sheron Inniss June 14, 2017 at 11:22 am

    Yuh all tek off what i say but it is true. The autopsy proved it. My friend family leffing he in the hands of the Lord as time longer than twine. He gotta pay.

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  38. Sheron Inniss June 14, 2017 at 11:32 am

    Iswiltshire I know that but the conventional doctors behave as if they have all the answers when they do not. If they did no one would remain sick. In fact, doctors would be poor. But they like it how it is with people placing them on pedestals and not taking responsibility for their own health.

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  39. lswiltshire June 14, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    joan Worrell
    RE why did you work with offshore medical school ETC

    Yes they paid well generally I have refused jobs at schools that did not.
    I always wanted to teach medical students, so I grasped the first opportunity that I got.
    I was shocked when I went the various places I went.

    TEACHING CAUSED ME TO HAVE TO STUDY
    I ENJOYED THIS AND I LEARNED A LOT IN SO DOING

    We did well at St Martinus, but I had to leave after a year because of immigration issues.
    Was dissapointed in the school at Jamaica.

    Re Please give the Barbados Government a chance to deal with the devil and get some money to clear their debt. I CAN NOT STOP THEM JOAN
    ALSO HAVING AN OFFSHORE SCHOOL WONT CLEAR THE DEBT OF THE BDOS GOVERNMENT.
    AND USUALLY THE MONEY FOR THE CHARTER IS PASSED UNDER THE TABLE LOL
    THE GOVERNMENT IS DIMINISHING THE STANDARD OF OUR MEDICAL EDUCATION

    DONT DEFEND OFFSHORE BOGUS SCHOOLS
    WHEREAS ROSS AND ST GEORGES HAVE DONE WELL THEY CHARGE AN ENORMOUS SUM OF MONEY

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  40. lswiltshire June 14, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    Sheron Inniss

    SOME OF THE WORSE MEN I KNOW ARE DRS LOL
    ESPECIALLY FRASER LOL
    IF I ONLY KNEW I WOULD HAVE JUST TAUGHT HIGH SCHOOL

    I ENJOYED TEACHING THE BRIGHT STUDENTS I MET FROM HERE AND THERE THOUGH

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  41. joan Worrell June 14, 2017 at 2:40 pm

    @lswiltshire

    Corruption is the common factor among poor and developing nations. It is almost a culture. Barrow levelled corruption charges at Grantley and his MP’s, Tom Adams did similarly to Barrow and his MP’S setting up the Duffus Commission to lock up the thieves. Barrow and Richie Haynes accused Tom and his MP’s of corruption. After Barrow’s death Richie formed an alliance with many questionable characters but yet accused the Sandiford Administration of corruption. Owen subsequently won the elections and was soft on Sandi and corruption. I am not sure if it was because the two of them are from the North. Then for 15 years Mascoll and Thompson accused Owen”s administration of the worst form of corruption. Thompson died and Stuart took over. Ever since then Mia has been accusing Stuart’s administration of corruption, even spending 3 hours of her 2017 reply to the budget, on corruption charges against the DLP. Do you believe that passing something under the table is new ? Let us deal with what is above the table. lol.

    I have no reason to defend Bogus Schools but we might be embracing other businesses which are no cleaner than the Offshore institutions. There are some stories of property owners on the West Coast which would grow your head. Yes, they have been bringing in very much needed revenue but we don’t have any Massey’s or Fraser”s or Wiltshire”s to monitor their operations and tell us if they are bogus operators.

    Before I go, let me pull your legs a bit. Do you have a little something stashed in the Cook Islands? lol. For years they have gained the reputation of being global pioneer in offshore asset-protection trusts, with laws devised to protect foreigners’ assets from legal claims in their home countries.

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  42. lswiltshire June 14, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    Joan Worrell

    All that you have said above about the corruption in politics is true

    People like me and Massay and Fraser can only report what we know about bogus medical stools

    I guess all we really know or care about is perpetuating proper medical education in the islands. We can only tell the people what is going on in this area because w attended a proper school.

    No Joan. I do NOT have a little something stashed in the Cook Islands? lol. I ONLY WNT THERE TO TEACH……..NOT TO LEARN ABOUT asset-protection trusts, with laws devised to protect foreigners’ assets from legal claims in their home countries.
    CAREFUL HOW YOU GO PULLING LEGS YUH
    YOU MIGHT BUTT UP PUN A THIRD LEG MURDAH

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  43. joan Worrell June 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    @lswiltshire

    My grandfather was a barber. He left his straight edge stainless steel barber’s blade with me to cut off third legs . . Believe you and Frazer can replace them . Not Massey

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  44. lswiltshire June 14, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    JOAN
    YOU LIKE YOU NOT ONLY A NAUGHTY GIRL YOU LIKE YOU DANGEROUS TOO LOL LOL MURDAH

    ARE YOU A NURSE

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  45. joan Worrell June 14, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    Not a nurse but if you have an old scalpel that you no longer use, it would be handy. lol

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  46. lswiltshire June 14, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    JOAN
    WE GWINE CLASH ANOTHER TIME
    TILL THEN KEEP SWEET

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  47. joan Worrell June 14, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    Great exchange. Hang in there

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  48. LUTHER VVSS June 16, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    we need to hear professor waldrond voice he was against them , voicing concern for CADAVERS.

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