Porn and student indiscipline

Two stories generated considerable discussion among readers this week: the three Lester Vaughan students who were arrested and charged in connection with brutal beating of a fellow student and the proposal to ban online access to pornography, that came from Grenville Phillips II, leader of the Solutions Barbados party.

In a video which went viral on social media, a Lester Vaughan student was seen being chased by a crowd, with some persons hurling loud expletives, before she fell to the ground and was repeatedly kicked in the head by some of her peers. The attack was allegedly over an argument about a $15 bottle of hair spritz.

Reacting to the incident, President of Barbados National Council of Parent Teachers Associations (BNCPTA), Shone Gibbs said “it must be prosecuted to the hills by the family of the victim because we cannot allow these things to happen, this level of bullying and intimidation, because someone could have easily lost their life [last Wednesday].”

Gibbs  joined a chorus of condemnation of those involved in the attack. As was expected, the story generated a lot of discussion among our readers.

“In all this, I really hope it’s a real big eye opener for parents to guide and talk to their children every single day before they leave home and the children, in return, pay attention and see what happened and for the principals of the schools to show this all time at prayers, spread it, talk about it, remind them all the time and all we can do is hope lessons are learnt, and that the system is not for just today,” one reader commented.

Another said: “If that is the case, the one who was charged parents didn’t see the video and realize it was not their child alone that is guilty? I know it din gone down so I getting an expert to go through that video and pick them out one by one, then the authorities would tell me why only my child. Every one of them should be charged, you working hard, sending them school to learn, and them out there getting worse than some animals.”

One reader said the incident spoke to a lack of punishment and discipline.“All of the social scientists who knew what was wrong with corporal punishment can’t find a replacement for it up to this very moment. What do you expect? Children have lost respect for parents from toddler stage because they don’t know right from wrong. A spank on the wrist or the buttocks taught the little child years ago that what it was doing, was wrong. Today parents hope that by talking to the child , it would not repeat the wrongdoing. That is textbook parenting. What we need is practical parenting i.e cut their behinds and let them know who is parent and who is child.”

Phillips who writes a Tuesday column in this paper, found himself in hot water. The responses to his latest column about banning on-line access to porn, gave it a ranking of the second most trending story this week after the Lester Vaughan issue.

 Phiilips wrote: “The Ministry of Education has approved our children’s use of cellular phones in our schools. The obvious foreseen risk is our children’s direct access to pornography (porn) on their smart phones. While some responsible parents will install porn filters on their children’s phones, most parents and grandparents will not know, and are not expected to know, how to protect them.  Therefore, a national response is required.

“Many parents have provided their children with smart-phones, tablets and laptop computers without installing the critically necessary porn filter.  Therefore, they are unknowingly giving their children direct access to porn, which is perhaps the most reckless act that a parent can do.”

Many readers questioned the reasoning behind the budding politician’s call for the porn ban.

“Are you going to stop prostitution as well? Because if not, you’re just swerving from the wall right over a cliff with this prohibition. Any time a country decides to ban something that people normally consume, the people find other ways to get their fix and crime rates increase. You want to show you have no idea what you are doing?, Then proceed.”

Another reader blamed the current government. “This is typical of this Govt instead of dealing with matters to get Barbados up and running, no we have to stop people watching porn. …. This Govt is treating everyone as children, and these are the MP’s that act like children …”

One reader drew a comparison with the communist regime in North Korea. “Relax Grenville! This response is unfortunate, extremely shortsighted, totally “unsustainable” (sustainability being a word “Solutions Barbados” always uses) and promotes a retreat from technology vs national cyber safety awareness building ….

“Barbados does not need to become North Korean to solve this challenge. In many ways, this response also highlights a fundamental lack of knowledge on the cyber safety topic. which calls for more listening and less pronouncements as you are doing exactly what you accuse your opposition of doing.”

19 Responses to Porn and student indiscipline

  1. Marlon Ellis
    Marlon Ellis May 27, 2017 at 11:21 am

    Continue not 2 discipline them and see if this behavior stops….smh…..

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  2. Janelle Wickham
    Janelle Wickham May 27, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    Everyday all is printed in the papers is repitition.And honestly its not the way forward.Adults keep saying the youth don’t have any behaviour,all the behaviours we see exhibited or learnt behaviours.Parents cursing their children,family members molesting children,people smoking and drinking in the presence of young children.I am a young mother,but I know for a fact,when two uneducated people who also lack “common sense” join together to bring a life into this world, this is a recipe for disaster.There are some very silly people who are parents,and as long as two people who are not right thinking come together to bring children in the world we will always have problems. Where there is no vision the people perish.

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  3. Sheldine Dyall
    Sheldine Dyall May 27, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    It’s time to stop all the long talk and tried put our heads together and try
    to solved the problems

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  4. jrsmith May 27, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    Thats the trouble with the so called educated adults,stop treating the kids as foolish kids, they know what their are doing , its just a matter of if they get away with it … if you all notice the behaviour of kids until they are near the age of criminal responsibility… lots of kids behaviour is what they see and hear at home , by they parents … dogs bark because other dogs is also barking ……………………………………………………….
    I just dont understand why we mention anything about politicians or the government , when it comes to black people in barbados…
    they have no real concern and belongs to a band of people who need teaching themselves ………
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    We have lost our culture, we must recover our heritage to pass on to these said kids, we are gradually losing our way of life , which was envied by lots of the world, what have we gone from to….our barbados is there for the taking but not by bajans…….
    Our people need to change and show that change , this then would reflect on our kids , other than that the world would keep changing our kids for us , in every way possible………………..

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    • Jennifer May 27, 2017 at 2:00 pm

      Jrsmith – you said a truth. All this $hyte about ban this and ban that is utter rubbish. When a people has lost their names, culture, nationality, dress code, heritage, and language to an oppressor who is still oppressing them and we got big heads who cannot see this fact. Mind you Korea has all of their knowledge about SELF intact. They know who is against and who is for them. Then you got an education, church, and judiciary systems which are catered and tailored to belch out only about the said oppressor and their achievements on their world stage, what do you expect. A bunch of sheep just trailing in their own pellets of $hit continuing to eat much dry grass. The children are the SAME as their fathers. From the HEAD (governments) to the sole of the foot (masses) their is no SOUNDNESS. Government coming after government just looking for their pockets and is HELL bent on keeping this disenfranchised people right where they are. All you wicked lot will get your just reward. Just a bunch of nom deplumes.

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  5. Grenville May 27, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    Dear All:

    The general misconception by most commenters is the belief that we plan to legislate morality by banning porn. We are proposing no such thing. We are simply changing the current porn default Internet position from unblocked to blocked. Any adult can then choose to unblock it if they choose, but the default position is blocked.

    The general comments made were coincidentally similar to a classic addiction response, where addicts are so blinded by their addiction to porn that they cannot see the victims, instead they only attack anyone whom they perceive as restricting their access to what they are craving.

    The greater tragedy here is that the Minister responsible for Telecommunications will rightly determine that there is no consensus on this topic, and will feel justified in doing nothing – thanks to people who have somehow convinced themselves that our children have a right to watch child sex slaves being savagely raped by adults. I did not know that we had fallen so low.

    So, as a result of commenters who posted knee-jerk reactions to the title (which I had no control over – my submitted title was “Does He Also Care?”), we can expect that our children will continue to be permanently damaged by direct access to the worst possible porn available (via porn unblocked smart phones, tablets, and lap-top gifts provided by unknowing parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and family friends), marriages will continue to be damaged, national productivity will continue to be very low, and the hope of sex slaves will be dimmed.

    You can all be assured of this. In a Solutions Barbados administration, porn will be blocked as a default on our first working day. Why? Because it is so very easy to do, and it is the right thing to do.

    Best regards,
    Grenville

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  6. Robert May 27, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    Grenville: Noble words, and my friend who is going to define “pornography ” which you seem to think is so easy to block?

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  7. Raheem Griffith
    Raheem Griffith May 27, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    Go on spring garden during kadooment and tell me if it will make a difference

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  8. Angel Maria
    Angel Maria May 27, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    Ina related issue, I dont see how allowing them access to phones in September will help matters much….

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  9. Joan Worrell May 27, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    Social scientists have dropped a ”nuclear bomb” on parents when they ganged up against corporal punishment in the home and in the classroom. However they can’t find an effective non-physical form of discipline for ill-mannered children . Some of the scientists have recommended time-outs, denial of child privileges and permissive parenting as alternatives whereas others hold the view that that these measures are as bad as corporal punishment. They are all talk, talk , talk and can’t come up with an effective universal solution to children’s misbehaviour.

    There are only 51 countries in the world which have banned corporal punishment in the home and in schools. Barbados is in good company if parents continue to cut their chidren”s backsides. Ignore the local social scientists and do what you have to do, in order to discipline your child.

    The full list of countries that have enacted laws prohibiting violence against children in the home and school is below, courtesy of the Global Initiative to End Corporal Punishment.
    2016 – Mongolia, Paraguay, Slovenia
    2015 – Benin, Ireland, Peru
    2014 – Andorra, Estonia, Nicaragua, San Marino, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Malta
    2013 – Cabo Verde, Honduras, TFYR Macedonia
    2011 – South Sudan
    2010 – Albania, Congo (Republic of), Kenya, Tunisia, Poland
    2008 – Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Republic of Moldova, Costa Rica
    2007 – Togo, Spain, Venezuela, Uruguay, Portugal, New Zealand, Netherlands
    2006 – Greece
    2005 – Hungary
    2004 – Romania, Ukraine
    2003 – Iceland

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  10. Joan Worrell May 27, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    Correction to the above. The full list is as follows

    2016 – Mongolia, Paraguay, Slovenia
    2015 – Benin, Ireland, Peru
    2014 – Andorra, Estonia, Nicaragua, San Marino, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Malta
    2013 – Cabo Verde, Honduras, TFYR Macedonia
    2011 – South Sudan
    2010 – Albania, Congo (Republic of), Kenya, Tunisia, Poland
    2008 – Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Republic of Moldova, Costa Rica
    2007 – Togo, Spain, Venezuela, Uruguay, Portugal, New Zealand, Netherlands
    2006 – Greece
    2005 – Hungary
    2004 – Romania, Ukraine
    2003 – Iceland
    2002 – Turkmenistan
    2000 – Germany, Israel, Bulgaria
    1999 – Croatia
    1998 – Latvia
    1997 – Denmark
    1994 – Cyprus
    1989 – Austria
    1987 – Norway
    1983 – Finland
    1979 – Sweden

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  11. Jennifer May 27, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    yeh, but it would be good to know if there was change in those children from these countries, – i.e are they”better” behave to their parents and peers etc.
    The bottom line is that we need to get back to our roots and that is only when things will turn. Otherwise we will soon kiss our homes good bye as the adults will be run out by their children.

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  12. Ramona Chiedu Louisa Taylor
    Ramona Chiedu Louisa Taylor May 27, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    this is why barbados will never get better. you cannot throw bibles at this current generation. they will not listen. you cannot judge them and say that they all are addicted to porn and are violent. truth is most of them arent. what we need to is to address the problems from the bottom tier so that we can solve the issues with this generation. a lot of them are filled with anger because of family circumstances, some are growing up before they are ready and being forced into adult roles and sometimes very depressed. we need to find out what is wrong with these children that makes them so angry and so quite to fights and violence but instead of wunna talking nuff of wunna so called child advocates love to assume wunna know what is going on and sticking wunna heads further and further up wunna own bottom. the truth is without due dilligence, we won’t ever solve these issues. an interview assuming what the problems are will NEVER EVER SOLVE ANYTHING

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    • Ramona Chiedu Louisa Taylor
      Ramona Chiedu Louisa Taylor May 27, 2017 at 8:07 pm

      also instead of banning cellular phones how about putting measures in place that all phones must be registered at the beginning of the school year and must be placed in a safe, secured location every morning in the classroom and locked away so that children can still have access to their phones but not be distracted from them. the honest truth is that a lot of children going school behind god’s back and need phones to reach their parents. the solutions are simple. all this talk talk talk got to stop we need action

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  13. Joan Worrell May 27, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    @jennifer

    The answer to your question is “No’

    Sweden is supposed to be the role model country for disciplining children by implementing non-physical disciplinary measures since 1979. However according to reports from that country, the children are just as ill-mannered, disruptive, violent and deviant as the Barbadian school child of late.

    There are millions of scholarly papers written by social scientists on childhood rearing. Which model is the correct one? The answer is the one that works for you. Mine personally, is to give them total respect and demand total respect from them. Cut their behinds as pre-teenagers without brutalizing themj i.e bend the tree when it is young.

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  14. Alex Alleyne May 27, 2017 at 10:51 pm

    Will someone give the population of the Jails for all the Countries listed above ????????.

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  15. L King May 28, 2017 at 6:56 am

    Why are some posters on here upset about the possibility of porn being banned: What right minded personal wants to WATCH other people having sex? Now that IS animal behavior.

    As it sadly stands there isn’t going to be a call for banning porn.

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  16. jrsmith May 28, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    Everyone is getting they ( knickers in a twist ) for no real reason, I know so many decent law abiding christian parents , who spend late nights and very early mornings watch serious porn .Remove all porn from the internet and they will be a world war………
    I would prefer our young people be off the streets in they homes watching porn , than be bashing the crap out of each other , or using each other as target practice ……………………………….

    @, All , hail , hail , some very good points , lets all be serious we cannot expect the best from our young people , when the adults the parents are bad role models themselves……………………….
    Our bajan kids is not that bad , its just that politicians has broken our societies, making everything so uneven in will bring the worse out in them….also in adults as well… Our society is them and us 1% of our nation control the black masses ……………………….

    Barbados needs change we need it now, the people must change first ….. can we all consider if we want to hand over to our young people the punishment we have had in the 2 present political terms,…. We need to reel in our politicians…. We need to not allow them to punish us any longer ….
    We need the right that the same vote we cast to put them in office , ….We can easily remove them by casting the vote of no confidence , if they are performing as they should……enough is enough lets do something for our marvelous young people……

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