Judge not!

DLP has gays and lesbians too, warns Inniss

A stinging rebuke has come for Minister of the Environment Dr Denis Lowe from one of his own Cabinet colleagues.

Outspoken Government minister Donville Inniss Tuesday sought to deal frontally with the whole question of morality and need for greater societal tolerance, as he joined with critics in outrightly rejecting Lowe’s latest remarks on same-sex union.

In an interview with Barbados TODAY, Inniss also warned his ruling Democratic Labour Party (DLP) colleague to stop playing the homosexual card against the Mia Mottley-led Barbados Labour Party (BLP), since the Freundel Stuart-led ruling DLP was made up of gays and lesbians too.

Donville Inniss

It was while addressing a ceremony in honour of mothers within his Christ Church East constituency over the weekend that Lowe publicly denounced what he saw as advocacy to legally wed persons of the same gender.

“There is an attempt in certain quarters to advance a legislative call for same-sex marriage, and I do not have any intention, within or without the legislator to support any such notion because I still believe in the biblical way of life,” the minister of the environment said.

Also seemingly taking a swipe at Mottley, Lowe added, “I am not about to support any idea that the greatness of the nation is bound up in any individual who does not regard the importance of motherhood, of family, and of marriage according to the biblical standard.

“We want our boys and our girls to grow up in a society where they are not embarrassed because they live in a house where mum is a woman and dad is a man,” he added.

However, Inniss clearly distanced himself from those remarks telling Barbados TODAY, “My position is that we must not judge individuals according to their perceived or imagined sexual orientation”.

“We need to discuss these matters in a very rational manner and with an open mind,” he also suggested, adding, “I am not going to pursue any political opponent based on perceived sexual characteristics, because in my own party there have been gays and lesbians.”

As for the matter of same sex unions, Inniss, who is the Minister of International Business, Industry, Commerce and Small Business Development, argued that the matter was a “non-issue”, while suggesting that Lowe should instead focus on helping to address more pertinent issues affecting the country, including unemployment, the low foreign exchange reserves and rising health care costs.

“There are far more important issues in Barbados today to address – the economy and challenges with our young people – I am not focused on people’s preferences. And as politicians we must show a higher level of tolerance,” said Inniss in dismissing Lowe’s remarks.

Dr Denis Lowe

“For me this is really a non-issue. I think those of us in public life should focus on more relevant matters . . . . I am far more concerned about our challenges in the economy and how we can get a better Barbados for all, not whether you are a heterosexual or homosexual,” he insisted.

However, Inniss made it clear he was “not necessarily” supporting same-sex marriages nor was he prepared to support any legislative reform to allow for such in Barbados.

Nonetheless, he pointed out that society was already “tolerant” of gays and lesbians and suggested it should remain that way.

“I don’t think this is even a matter that has to step into the realm of legislation. There is no need for any legislative reform. Barbados has always been a very tolerant society. The folks who drink rum excessively and get behind a steering wheel pose a greater danger to society than gays and lesbians. The folks who abuse marijuana or cocaine and hard drugs are bigger threats to society. When we don’t teach our young people to have respect for others including their property, that is a bigger threat to society,” said Inniss.

“It is not even an issue that one can say Government is divided on or it is Inniss versus Lowe,” he added.

Inniss also argued that while there was no harm in the country having a discussion on the matter, he believed any move to legalize same-sex unions in Barbados would be met with “great resistance” from the population.

“I don’t think any politician in their right frame of mind would even put that on the agenda. I don’t have that fear, but my fear is that the constant commentary that condemns those who are gay or lesbian does not add value to our national development because gays and lesbians were here when the economy was strong and robust and they are here now when we are having our challenges and they will be here long after the Democratic Labour Party has gotten the economy fully on track,” he said.

“I think marriage in a Christian setting is between a man and a woman but that does not conflict with a view that a man or woman has a right to choose their partner. It may not be blessed in the eyes of the Church, but it does not mean they don’t have a right to choose their partner, and we must be careful that we don’t foster a level of animosity and anger towards individuals who are gay or lesbian in a modern Barbados,” he warned.

Saying all he was “preaching” was tolerance and respect for all individuals, Inniss called on Lowe not to be so judgmental.

Speaking further on the point of tolerance, Inniss also took a swipe at the Barbados Gays & Lesbians Against Discrimination (BGLAD), suggesting that “rhetoric” about members of that community being discriminated against was fallacy.

“I do not believe Barbados is a homophobic society. That is why I do not agree with the gay and lesbian society and their rhetoric. I think they are just grandstanding and they do not have any evidence for the claims they make in this society. Quite frankly, I think they should just keep quiet and get on with their own business,” said Inniss.

“In my 30 years as an employee and employer in Barbados I have never seen discrimination based on one’s sexual orientation. I think a lot of it is over exaggerated,” said the father of two sons.

marlonmadden@barbadostoday.bb

28 Responses to Judge not!

  1. hcalndre May 17, 2017 at 12:31 am

    Dennis Lowe, a man was convicted for killing a gay person in the US and was given 49 years in jail as it was also deem as a hate crime so if a lying hypocrite that you`re and I understand that you study some kind of ministry but preaching hate so you better be careful no one commits a hate crime through your ignorance. Barbados should be a big supporter of “BGLAD” check the history of Barbados from a way back.

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  2. sticks and stones May 17, 2017 at 5:32 am

    The hypocrisy of Inniss rebuke is that most Barbadians would agree with Lowe comments where he states that biblically a marriage is between a man and a woman . Inniss political defense is one of self denial

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  3. Sherlock Holmes. May 17, 2017 at 7:29 am

    Mr Innis in as much as i feel strongly that Lowe sometimes needs to carefully choose when and where, there is no need to pander to those who have no fear of God or his word. Regardless of what we as humans may think there is absolutely no compromise coming from God on any sin. He implores and beseech us to repent of our sinful ways and acts, he hates abominations and he also warns those seriously about calling evil good and good evil,so if you believe pandering for a few votes is the ultimate then the woes might definitely apply to you.

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  4. Johnathan May 17, 2017 at 8:11 am

    @sticks and stones if you think Denis Low so moral and spiritual why he aint got no wife. Then go and investigate which of them breed a 15 year old and then go back and ask Denis if he really so moral.

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  5. sticks and stones May 17, 2017 at 8:44 am

    @ Sherlock Holmes

    The issue brought to front is about gay marriage which in barbados society is unacceptable. The only difference now is that a minister told a truth which has thrown the bees into a frenzy.

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  6. sticks and stones May 17, 2017 at 8:47 am

    Oops the above comment was for Johanthan.apologies to Sherlock Holmes

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  7. Peter May 17, 2017 at 9:29 am

    There are more gays and lesbians in the DLP than anyone can imagine. An example is that group of “in the closet” men who frequented that huge barn like structure in Martin’s Bay, sitting well protected and guarded on the water’s edge just opposite the popular fish place. Check with the man who has the same sounding name as the Capital of France. Sweetcakes was one o’DEM too, But he residing in St. John church cemetery. Dodson died from AIDS. Lowe reminds me of a man in a black suit hiding in a white closet. Persons will ask ” wait, how you know that?” Well, news does get around and evuh body knows.

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    • Sherlock Holmes. May 17, 2017 at 10:37 am

      Unfounded inferences is the gateway to the law courts my dear boy Peter.

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      • Peter May 17, 2017 at 12:28 pm

        Sherlock Holmes I am quite knowledgeable in law plus all my comments are vetted by two highly qualified but now retired high court Judges. Perhaps you never heard of common gossip is regarded as hearsay. Sticks and stones. I am not one of those. although they have their rights and incidentally I know many both locally and overseas that are. They seem to be very successful humans. I am definitely heterosexual. as many as 140 Bajan women can attest to that. and this does not include overseas gals. If you drive a Benz you will understand. Check with Watson.

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  8. Peter May 17, 2017 at 9:31 am

    Donville, Bi-George, You’re right. Who the Cap fits, let them wear it. Popular song by the late great brother Bob Marley.

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  9. allison archer May 17, 2017 at 9:40 am

    Listen people stop pulling a verse out of the bible using it in the wrong context seeking to distort its teachings
    Matthew 7 reads like this: – judge not that you be not judge, FOR WITH WHAT JUDGEMENT YOU JUDGE, you shall be judge and with what measure you mete it shall be measure to you again
    And why behold the mote in your brother’s eye but considers not the beam that is in your own eye, you hypocrite first cast the beam out of your own eye then shall you clearly see to cast out the mote out of your brother’s eye

    there is nothing wrong with judging, the problem stems from those who calls out the wrongs in others and doing the same practice for surely one cannot survived without weighing matters evenly seeking the right way for self and others
    please read the entire chapter / book before being chasten for carelessly using the Word of God

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  10. sticks and stones May 17, 2017 at 9:42 am

    @Peter u seems to know alot. Unless u are a part of the “incrowd” you could know so much.could you be a bird of like feathers

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  11. Johnathan May 17, 2017 at 10:31 am

    Ask Ruel how much uh DEM gay and fight to come out and does sleep at he…Donville right cause he knows DEM is the headquarters even from the top..and the dead one..

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  12. joan Worrell May 17, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Donville, I don’t know what company you keep but I believe I interact with more people than you and the majority of Bajans are against same sex relationships. The next time you are on Broad Street , spend a few minutes in front of Cave Shepherd and observe how both men and women laugh when they see a “she-she” swagger past them. Oh my God, what message do you want to send to the young people as a Minister in the Cabinet of Barbados. Would you be happy to have one of your children bring home a partner of same sex and observe them enter a bedroom , while you and wife are in another room, doing the opposite to what they are doing? Man, forget the lotta grandstanding and use your conscience rather than running your mouth for whatever reason. Name the country with a majority black race where same sex marriages are legal apart from South Africa. Nobody is telling anybody from any political party how to live his/her life but for God’s Sake don’t think about legislating same sex marriages in Barbados. It will opposed as vehemently as trying to change Errol Barrow Day some years ago. If you not happy living in Barbados where same sex marriages are illegal, feel free to live in England or U.K or Canada.

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  13. Sunshine Sunny Shine May 17, 2017 at 10:48 am

    hmmm

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  14. joan Worrell May 17, 2017 at 10:58 am

    The following has been copied from the New Zealand A I D S Foundation. Quote

    It’s been scientifically proven that anal sex is riskier than vaginal sex when it comes to HIV. Eighteen times riskier to be exact. There are two reasons for this. First, the cells in the ass are much more susceptible to HIV than cells in the vagina. Second, both semen and rectal mucosa (the lining of the ass) carry more HIV than vaginal fluid. Combine this with the fact that gay and bi guys have much more anal sex than straight guys, and you’ve got yourself a lot more risk right there. In a recent Auckland study, 1 in 15 gay and bi guys were found to have HIV. So, if you’re a guy hooking up with other guys, you’re more likely to meet someone who has HIV (and according to that same study, there’s a 20 percent chance that person with HIV doesn’t know it yet) – The reality is that there are less gay and bi guys than there are straight men and women. So when you’re meeting a guy for casual sex, the pool of people you have to choose from is smaller. This makes gay and bi guys much more closely connected, sexually, than the rest of the population. It also allows HIV and other STIs to spread quickly among us. Ends Quote

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    • Richard Johnston May 17, 2017 at 11:02 pm

      What’s your point? How long have you been suffering from this anal fixation?

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  15. joan Worrell May 17, 2017 at 11:16 am

    @ Donville, don’t shoot the messenger, deal with the message which Minister Lowe sent on Mother’s Day. I don’t care what you, Lowe, other members of Parliament do behind closed doors. That is your business. The message implied that the Mother’s Day luncheon was for women born with a vagina and not a penis. Why didn’t you hold a similar luncheon on Father’s Day and invite fathers with vaginas ?. lol

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  16. Shawn Phillips May 17, 2017 at 11:30 am

    The most sensible politician in Barbados is Donville Inniss. I look forward to seeing him lead the DLP as the current leader and other members are blind.

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  17. joan Worrell May 17, 2017 at 11:39 am

    Oh how I love Robert Mugabe’s views on same sex relationships!!. He has promised to jail any gay or lesbian couple who fail to conceive any offspring. I am sick of young men walking around smelling like mobile chemical toilets. Yes, lots of them are wearing pampers before they are thirty. The muscles in their backsides are relaxed and they become ‘mallard ducks” i.e stooling as soon as they eat. Is this something a Minister should be promoting?

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    • Richard Johnston May 17, 2017 at 11:03 pm

      Still got that anal fixation?

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  18. Milli Watt May 17, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    (P)ornville……..the P is silent rebuking the preacher wid de home alone certificate in bible studies ssstttuuuupppssseeeee what a joke. If we at this stage and de bell ain’t ring could imagine what it going be like. at some point in time to much laughing has to be bad for you.

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  19. Carson C Cadogan May 17, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    The amazing thing about the crooked Barbados Labour Party is the fact that they believe that like them everyone in Barbados has a short memory.

    When Cammie Tudor was being considered for the post of Governor General the members and supporters of the crooked Barbados Labour Party screamed to high Heaven that it should not happen because of Cammies sexual orientation.’

    They said that a person of Cammie’s sexual orientation would bring shame and dishonour to Barbados and that must never be allowed to take place. All over Barbados they went calling him all kinds of names, botyman, buller, fag, homosexual, you name it and the Barbados Labour Party went around Barbados calling him.

    Now that their party is headed by sexually confused people , now they are saying , don’t worry about that, that is not a big thing.
    When it suits the crooked Barbados Labour Party homosexuality is awful and must be condemned, and such persons must not hold high office, and when it suits the crooked Barbados Labour Party Homosexuality must be praised and encouraged.

    What hypocrites.

    But they don’t fool me.

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  20. Harry May 17, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    It is a pity that Lowe is not so morally correct with his financial dealings. Here is a politician who was the first to raise the question of integrity when he published the integrity code – given to him by Peter Allard – in the Nation and who was one of the Ministers to have questions raised about his integrity…….

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  21. Sisleen Green May 17, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    Remind Denis Lowe that the Bible also states that one should not steal and there is no biig sin or little sin neither is there any sin of convenience. (accepting bribes and lying )

    Go wash the mote out of your eye and you will be able see the way out of yout “Closet”.

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  22. Sean King May 17, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    Lowe and the DLP will look for every dirty swipe to save their sinking ship which has gone adrift . The FACTS campaign has failed now they are trying to come with slander . Few more months before we the people of Barbados get this team out of office

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  23. smiley May 19, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    While Inniss trying to save his own seat in the next election I will not be putting the x on any of the hypocrites names. BLP need to tell us what are the plans for LGBT in the agenda if they win.Mia too silent.DLP don’t use this to get my x because you got immoral people in your party.Hate crime is not committed by Mr Lowe.

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  24. Keith N Reid June 2, 2017 at 10:59 pm

    The morals of any country are more important to anything people.
    Righteousness exalts a nation, sis is a reproach to any people. We do not just need leaders, we nee godly leaders.

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