Jail them

Jones lashes corporal punishment

Minister of Education Ronald Jones today called for those who “brutalize” children by flogging them to be thrown in jail, as he made an impassioned appeal for the abolition of corporal punishment.

Speaking at a gala to mark the opening of Child Month, Jones labelled the practice, which many Barbadians strongly support, as abuse.

Ronald Jones
Ronald Jones

“Flogging is not discipline. It is abuse against the child and anyone who abuses a child should be taken before the court and jailed if they are found guilty,” he said.

“If, as a modern nation, we can’t talk to and reason with our children and only brutalize them, we are a lost nation. We cannot create gems of the nation through brutality,” he added.

Jones acknowledged that there are children who have problems but said adults needed to decide whether to offer them understanding and compassion or turn their backs on them.

“Questions I ask myself: Should we as adults screaming for our own rights forget the rights of a child? Should we ask that child to leave and be abandoned on the highways and the byways of the country where all kinds of nefarious individuals exist?

“Or should we say to that child, ‘Come unto me, I will listen, I will offer compassion, I will give you understanding, I will give you hope to rise again?’  Are those things we should be saying or should we be saying, ‘Get out of the classroom, get out of the house, get out of the nation?’”

Jones said changed behaviour in a student should be a clear indication of a cry for help. “The child in the classroom who hitherto was a bright child, a friendly child, a smiling child and then there is a dramatic drop in that child’s behaviour and performance, that is a troubled child.

“Something has gone wrong. Might be a victim of something I do not know. We say that they are our future, so we have to ask them questions so that they can give us answers to find purpose and direction.”

Jones said he believed everyone should be given a fair chance including those who society believes have gone astray. “No one should be cast aside. The Good Book says if one sheep goes astray, it tells you go after that one that has gone astray and give them [the] opportunity to come back into the fold. Sometimes, we are so harsh that we keep chasing.”

The minister, who is at the centre of a row with teachers due to his refusal to meet with the membership of the Barbados Union of Teachers, expressed concern about the number of children exposed to abuse, stressing that flogging was not the way. “Our children are exposed to too much abuse. The verbal nasty, stinging, derogatory word that maims and cuts the heart and soul out of our children and they respond because they know how we make them feel and then on top of that, we bring brutality to their flesh.”

“Let us [offer] . . . words of understanding, hope, compassion. Let us give them the love that they are crying out for. We have some excellent young people in this country. I see them in schools, in church,” Jones said.

“Let us give hope to the hopeless, let us praise those who most need it, let us embrace our children, let us embrace our young people, give them an opportunity to rise and an opportunity to help this nation to rise.”

23 Responses to Jail them

  1. J. Payne May 7, 2016 at 2:27 am

    Den let the kids lick up wunna adults den. Have fun when they terrorise wunna. By the way, do ministers who speak of cracking some heads and shooting people have a role to play in your idea of society?

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    • Coralita May 7, 2016 at 3:15 am

      I wish that you ingrunt people would stop misusing that statement about cracking heads and shooting people, it is freaking old and outdated. The minister never said he was in agreement with any such behaviour. At the time that statement was made, there was a debate about the Opposition riling up people to cause insurrection and in response to that, Minister Jones cautioned the Opposition to desist from that behaviour or the outcome could be, the police in an effort to restore order end up cracking heads and shooting people. Isn’t this the outcome when they are riots in a country? I don’t understand how anyone with a modicum of commonsense could look at that and conclude that the Minister endorse that.

      Is this the level of objectivity we are at with all the free education we had or is it the results of partisan stupidity?

      I hold no allegiance to any of the political parties in Barbados and have supported both of them in the past. If the DLP is not doing right by us I will not support them, similarly the same goes for the BLP. I will only support who demonstrate they have the country’s best interest at heart.

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      • harry turnover May 7, 2016 at 5:56 pm

        He DID NOT have to use the words cracking heads and shooting people…BUT…he did !! The Police did not say those words if order was not restored….so who endorsed it ? who approved of those actions ? who supported those actions ?
        Why couldn’t he have said …” the Police should talk to them first and if order was not restored…arrest some of them,the SAME way he now wants parents to talk to their chidren instead of flogging them when they need discipline.
        I don’t understand how anyone with a modicum of commonsense could look at that and conclude that the Minister didn’t endorse ( supported ) that.

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  2. Louise King
    Louise King May 7, 2016 at 2:59 am

    Good one ; Minister Jones sending a Message–In one way -saying ;D ministry will search out bad teachers—and will be a price to pay–and D Ministry is tired with school curruption–Let us think clear– It is teachers complaining- and It is teachers open D door to Ministry action; [Like gates of hell for wonna self lool ]

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  3. Goody Smarts
    Goody Smarts May 7, 2016 at 3:04 am

    I totally agree with you Minister Jones. You sir should also know that teaching the said children religion is also child abuse.

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  4. Lawrence Griffith
    Lawrence Griffith May 7, 2016 at 3:12 am

    ” Minister of Education Ronald Jones today called for those who “brutalize” children by flogging them to be thrown in jail, as he made an impassioned appeal for the abolition of corporal punishment.”
    Instead of talking you should have used your position as Minister of Education and abolished corporal punishment in schools and then a draft to parliament to change the law. What I did get from this article is these politicians say whatever they think people what to hear for the moment. Remember this is a man that have the power to change things but is playing for popular opinion.
    Remember these are the people that are voted in to transform Barbados into a 22nd century nation. It’s very easy to see that the ones in charge aren’t competent or corrupted..

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  5. harry turnover May 7, 2016 at 6:29 am

    Jones ya talking sh8…you and some other people getting on as though every time a child is discipline it is brutilized.
    flogging …yes….brutilized …no
    In schools ONLY the Principal and some designated senior teachers have that authority and YOU and your Government gave the stamp of authority to that. In my time at Waterford University ONLY Major Noot or Stan Gitz use to share licks.
    Jones in that case ALL PRINCIPALS and SENIOR TEACHERS SHOULD BE JAILED……because in your reasoning they BRUTALIZE the children.

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  6. Elliott May 7, 2016 at 7:04 am

    Yes, I agree that corporal punishment in schools has been abandoned in most developed Countries because it is child is child abuse,; however, it has to be replaced by some form of punishment for bad behaviour, failing to comply with valid rules and acceptable behavoir.
    There will always be punishment for those who violate laws and sanctions/ rules /sanctions set by societies for the benefit of the majority of us living in any particular society. Propers humane sanctions are necessary, otherwise we might as well empty the jails and detention centres and have a “free for all” with everyone doing as he or she pleases., at that would include children

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  7. Observer May 7, 2016 at 7:12 am

    Is this guy for real i got flog l in my school days mr Jones that’s the wrong message you are sending to a already out of control situation

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  8. Sherlock Holmes. May 7, 2016 at 8:37 am

    I do believe in sparing the rod will spoil the child i am all for flogging if done in the appropriate way,i do not support brutality,in my books flogging is a method to control the behavior of some children.however we must be mindful that there are some who can go overboard when doing and if the minister is concerned about that probability then he should be careful to point that out rather than giving the impression that what can be considered to be lawful correction is a crime,there was a time and maybe that law is still on our books whereby a magistrate could order a deviant person to receive a prescribed flogging with a tamarind rod,Mr Minister i do support you in this current situation but we will differ on the total removal of corporal punishment in the schools and in the homes.

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  9. Sharon Thomas May 7, 2016 at 8:40 am

    Minister Jones would be serving a life sentence if another education minister has said the same thing pertaining to flogging when he was in the system.

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  10. Tony Waterman May 7, 2016 at 9:20 am

    @Elliott!!!! in ALL those forward thinking Countries that Corporal Punishment has been as you put it “Abandoned”, it was properly done, through “”Parliament”” NOT by shooting of the Lips at a Gala to mark the opening of Child Month. that is ONLY Political Show boating, trying to make people think that he has Concerns about their Children.
    The Minister surely should know, that Parents, and any others involved in Corporal Punishment Cannot be hauled before The Courts willy Nilly over something that is NOT Illegal in the Country, so he is just shooting from the Lips.

    @Coralita!!!! The reason that this comes up again and again, is that The Minister is continually speaking with a FORKED Tongue, he wants Corporal Punishment (Cracking Heads and Shootings) for Adults that don’t see eye to eye with him and his Cohorts, but on the other hand he wants Rights for Children, how about Rights for EVERYONE?????.He shpuld THINK before he SPEAKS and this would not a reoccourence.

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  11. Sunshine Sunny Shine May 7, 2016 at 10:46 am

    The role of an elected government is to understand fully how its citizenry function and what is needed for it to function effectively. The fact that Ronald Jones is exhibiting a knee-jerk reaction to the recent spate of violent occurrences happening in Barbadian schools is a testament to the out of touch nature of our politicians. Jones of all people knows that violence in schools probably dates right back to the days that he sported khaki pants and socks. He also knows that there are elements in the society that represent many a dysfunctional family. And that it is in these dysfunctional families that several generations of deranged and indiscipline individuals have been birthed. If therefore you understand the constitution of your citizenry, you would know that addressing the matter by forcing an extreme is not going to change characters or personal beliefs shape by years of reinforcement. Many Barbadians, particularly the black community, are programmed into believing that the only way you can correct them is by beating the crap out of them. How is that going to change by asking the court system to throw the buck at anyone who brutalised a child by flogging? Drastic action must be taken, since trying to educate an already accustom lot will be a difficult task. I would suggest that instead of imprisonment create a parental boot camp for parental training and discipline similar to a prison environment where parents can learn to be good parents, learn a skill, and obtain other meaningful tools of education to make them better people. Prison is just not a solution.

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  12. Johnathan May 7, 2016 at 11:09 am

    Bunch of uncaring idiots..seeking self gratification..

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  13. lester May 7, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    Freemasons love when our children run wild, out of control etc.
    Parents in this country better wake up and smell the coffee, they are a certain type of person who waits in line to “parent” our children, e.g drug lords, perverts, pedophiles etc. Corporal punishment once administered correctly does nothing to the child but physical abuse does, there is a difference, parents in this country need to refocus their priorities now, men just breeding women and leffing them to suffer this is the problem, a bunch of irresponsible men and women btw this same minister get abuse that is why he behaves the way he do/ does

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  14. jrsmith May 7, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    I was in his corner and give him high marks as one of 3 government ministers who would perform much better under a real Priminister…he has done the dirty as like all Barbadian politicians , making a remark without thinking who the said would effect..
    Mr.Jones is living in la, la land to think ,abolition of corporal punishment is going to prevent the (ABUSE ) on children. If abuse on children was only brutality by flogging ,I would feel a little relieved ..
    Brutality on children kids as young as 8 months old ,being sexually assaulted by they father, kids been beaten stamp on ,thrown against the wall, smashed ribs smashed joints parents fathers step fathers receiving jail sentences 18 to 30 imprisonment this bring tears to your eyes…

    I am living in London at the present time , there is a building catalogue of veil vicious evil crime against beautiful little kids, who didn’t ask to be born but when you see how animals protect their young and the behaviour from humans toward they off spring make you consider what type world are we in…

    We now step forward and ask the same questions , what breed of humans are we seeing , when 13 to 15 olds are just committing the most horrible murders , some of which is done after watching videos. Them the sickness of they act being put on the internet we then have now got to consider, is this in they genes….

    ..

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  15. dave May 8, 2016 at 12:43 am

    The Law does not agree with Mr. Jones . As a Parliamentarian, a former teacher and the Minister of Education , Mr. Jones should be aware of the need for accuracy and clarity of any statement that he makes. While you may have a personal of the matter , you are in a responsible position Mr. Jones and you must not unleash these kind of statements on the public. Mr Jones might be fatigued . Take a break Sir! We know that you work hard and that you work your mouth even harder

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  16. recoanthony May 8, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    I TELL WANNA ALREADY WHEN DEM OPEN THE MOUTHS ALL 16 AH DEM TALKS FOOLISHNESS…..I WOULD GO FOR BAALAM DONKEY AN PUT IT TO WORK IN JONES PLACE, I’M CERTAIN IT WOULD DO AH FAR BETTER JOB THAN JONES……………THIS MAN JONES IS PLAIN SILLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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  17. recoanthony May 8, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    JONES DOES THE SCHOOLS STILL TEACH MORNING PRAISE? RELIGOUS KNOWLEDGE? SINGING HYMNS ON MORNINGS? SAYING THE LORDS PRAYER ON EVENINGS? IF NOT THE SCHOOLS NEED TO GET BACK THERE……NOW JONES TELL ME THIS.. I GOT LASHES AT HOME/SCHOOL HOT ONES AT THAT BUT AFTER GOD IT MADE ME WISER, AT 51 NO POLICE NEVER HAD TO LOOK FOR ME, YES WE CAN TALK TO OUR CHILDREN, BUT AT TIMES DE STRAP, CANE, OR BAMBOO HAVE TO COME IT AS WELL….BUT TELL ME THIS, JAIL WE, BUT WHEN DE SAME CHILDREN IN POLICE CUSTODY, DO U KNOW WHAT TREATMENT THEY ARE GETTNG?

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  18. AB May 10, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    Corporal Punishment has absolutely no place in modern, civilized communities!

    As an adult, if someone were to hit me, they would be charged with assault/abuse. You wouldn’t take a belt, bamboo stick or wooden spoon to your pet dog! That is animal cruelty/abuse. BUT, for some reason..in Barbados, the Caribbean, and other 2nd -3rd world countries..it is considered OK to lash/beat/whip in order to “so-called discipline” a defenceless child!

    Sure, many people have had this form of “discipline” used on them and have escaped seemingly unscathed – whether mentally or physically. But others, have not/may not be so lucky. Regardless of how the “discipline” is perceived by the disciplinarian, it doesn’t mean it will not have a permanent negative effect on the child. Corporal Punishment is meant to inflict pain on a child to correct perceived bad behaviour. I will say it again – Inflict PAIN. Using violence teaches that it’s ok to use violence to solve problems. And it doesn’t work! How many people do you know, that took the lashes, and didn’t care? Don’t even get me started on this whole “Peter paid for Paul, and Paul paid for all” nonsense in public schools in Barbados. Beating children who did nothing wrong, but lumping them in with the rest..it’s barbaric.

    There are other ways to teach a child right from wrong. Figure it out and stop this archaic, barbaric treatment of children.

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